Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Alan Roi]

In what way did it backfire for her? She went to a subject they had agreed beforehand was off the table, but instead of refusing to answer, Picard gave his reasons for leaving Starfleet, and she got that out of him. If anything Fed Net would probably give her a raise (although if in the 24th century, money still doesn't exist I don't know what form it would take. )

A more prominent byline? Her interviews broacast in greater rotation? More prestigious interviews? Lots of ways to reward a journalist.

 

[oberth]

A more prominent byline? Her interviews broacast in greater rotation? More prestigious interviews? Lots of ways to reward a journalist.

lots of ways to fuck up, too

 

[Alan Roi]

Ok, so I'm going to put on my rarely-worn "negative Nancy" hat for a minute and ask a question:

Is anyone else as horrified as I am at the possibility that by Episode 6, we're going to have some disaster on that Borg Cube and the result will be that people start getting Borg-ified, and the mission will turn into "HOW DO WE STOP TEH BORGZ!??!!1!"

Please....Dear God I beg....please don't do this.

It would be an interesting conundrum for folks who eviscerated the second half of Disco Season 2. No, wait, Billj is already defending the idea without a second thought. Oh well.

 

[Longinus]

It would be an interesting conundrum for folks who eviscerated the second half of Disco Season 2. No, wait, Billj is already defending the idea without a second thought. Oh well.

I don't think that's the direction they're going with the Borg, but you must be intentionally obtuse if you don't understand why a TOS era Borg origin story is a problem in a way post-NEM Borg attack storyline wouldn't.

 

[Noname Given]

I don't think that's the direction they're going with the Borg, but you must be intentionally obtuse if you don't understand why a TOS era Borg origin story is a problem in a way post-NEM Borg attack storyline wouldn't.

Yeah, because Star Trek: First Contact and ENT S2 - "Regeneration" never happened; so there's NO WAY we could have a Borg related story in the TOS/23c era...oh, wait...

Again, if they feel it's a good story they want to tell, they will. Would I prefer they NOT put some sort of Borg story into the 23c era, yes. But, I'm not directing the franchise; and if they do it, and it turns out good, I'll applaud like anyone else, and if I don't care for it, I'll register a complaint if I talk about the episodes - but it's no more of a 'problem' than any other story they want to do.

The ONE consistent thing about the 55+ year history of the STAR TREK franchise since the day it was first pitched in 1964 is that it's more often than not, been rather inconsistent with the minute details.

 

[Greg Cox]

Ok, so I'm going to put on my rarely-worn "negative Nancy" hat for a minute and ask a question:

Is anyone else as horrified as I am at the possibility that by Episode 6, we're going to have some disaster on that Borg Cube and the result will be that people start getting Borg-ified, and the mission will turn into "HOW DO WE STOP TEH BORGZ!??!!1!"

Please....Dear God I beg....please don't do this.

I don't know. It's been almost 17 years since the last Borg episode, so it's not as though they've been done to death over the last decade-plus. Seventeen years strikes me as a fairly long hiatus.

 

[Jesse1066]

Yeah, because Star Trek: First Contact and ENT S2 - "Regeneration" never happened; so there's NO WAY we could have a Borg related story in the TOS/23c era...oh, wait...

Again, if they feel it's a good story they want to tell, they will. Would I prefer they NOT put some sort of Borg story into the 23c era, yes. But, I'm not directing the franchise; and if they do it, and it turns out good, I'll applaud like anyone else, and if I don't care for it, I'll register a complaint if I talk about the episodes - but it's no more of a 'problem' than any other story they want to do.

The ONE consistent thing about the 55+ year history of the STAR TREK franchise since the day it was first pitched in 1964 is that it's more often than not, been rather inconsistent with the minute details.

A Borg origin story in the 23rd century would be a problem because Voyager established that the Borg originated in the Delta Quadrant centuries ago. They'd have to use some kind of time travel shenanigans to get around that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It looks like Starfleet (and the Federation) only goes full-on evil in the next season of Discovery, since that takes place in the 31st century and, according to the previews, most of the planets have left the Federation.

That doesn't mean the Federation is, or ever has been, evil.

It definitely isn't now (as of PIC), and I doubt it ever will be.

Dahj has her sister in her phone favourites

https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1221529536145346560?s=21

Interesting, given that Dahj doesn't seem to know she HAS a sister. She doesn't act like she knows, anyway.

Soji obviously knows about Dahj, but I'm not sure the reverse is true.

 

[Noname Given]

A Borg origin story in the 23rd century would be a problem because Voyager established that the Borg originated in the Delta Quadrant centuries ago. They'd have to use some kind of time travel shenanigans to get around that.

Voyager is canon??!! (Sorry, gave up on watching it after "The 37's" - although I did see "Scorpion I & II" back in the day because a friend tried to claim "it got better" - but no, didn't stick with it...

Anyway, canon is canon until it isn't (See "Vulcan has no moon..." -clearly established by Spock in TOS - yet ignored in ST:TMP and the occassional TNG episode )

 

[Gonzo]

I can see both sides, though I wonder why Starfleet didn't simply scale back its operation to account for the loss of Mars resources vs. scuttling the whole thing?

Unless they believed the Romulans had something to do with the attack?

It must be said that all those ships in one place would be a very juicy target for anyone looking to strain the Federations resources, the Fleet Yards could have just been a bonus, or alternatively the Fleet Yards were the main target and the ships a bonus or just collateral damage.

I suspect that Starfleet was not happy when their attempt at humanitarian aid caused them to be caught with their trousers down, I can certainly understand why they would be unwilling to do the same thing again.

Picard needs to identify which was the main target of the attack or who was truly behind it, finding out either answer will lead to the other.

Ok, so I'm going to put on my rarely-worn "negative Nancy" hat for a minute and ask a question:

Is anyone else as horrified as I am at the possibility that by Episode 6, we're going to have some disaster on that Borg Cube and the result will be that people start getting Borg-ified, and the mission will turn into "HOW DO WE STOP TEH BORGZ!??!!1!"

Please....Dear God I beg....please don't do this.

I dont mind the Borg myself but I think it unlikely we will get that, we dont even know if there is still a collective at all.

Mind you messing with Borg Tech never ends well.

 

[Timo]

Anyway, canon is canon until it isn't (See "Vulcan has no moon..." -clearly established by Spock in TOS - yet ignored in ST:TMP and the occassional TNG episode )

That's no moon! (Although whether it's too big to be a space station, opinions vary.)

That giant monster hangs on the Vulcan day sky in TAS "Yesteryear" - and still hangs there the following night! Vulcan obviously rotates around its axis at much the same speed as Earth does, so the big celestial body is either orbiting insanely fast, or then merely passing by on a tangential orbit.

Interestingly, Remus seems to be on a tangential orbit with Romulus, in Data's ST:NEM show-and-tell. Vulcan might have this occasionally visiting companion planet (perhaps giving the planet its name with its tidal effects whenever it passes), and the Romulans would search for a similar setup as their new home.

Interesting that Romulus and her twin planet are lost (as shown in the new Romulan logo, lacking the two claws with the two planets) but twins and another two-circle symbol are central to PIC...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

I have no issues with him. I actually think he did a exceptional job with the franchise.

I meant issues with his personal and ethical behavior re: the casts of his series. He was a hundred times the showrunner of the Trek franchise that Gene or anybody else has ever been. I bow to his exceptional skills at keeping the Star Trek universe coherent and sensible. He kept Trek believable and in line with its own internal continuity.

But he's a little skeevy about women who work for him.

 

[Vger23]

I don't know. It's been almost 17 years since the last Borg episode, so it's not as though they've been done to death over the last decade-plus. Seventeen years strikes me as a fairly long hiatus.

I like the Borg. So, if done right, I don't have an issue with including them. I mean, we are already picking up tons of threads from TNG/movies, what's one more?

I actually have no problem with the Borg per se....I just don't want to see the season arc become about fighting the Borg if the set-up right now feels more like an extension on the "AI rights" themes of "Measure of a Man" compounded with a nice character study of post-Starfleet Picard.

I just wouldn't want to see the arc repeat a similar direction they took with DSC S2 (fighting the evil bad guys after a more thoughtful set-up) and run the risk of having viewers feel it is repetitive, when I think they have a nice set-up here for something unique. Bringing the Borg in to S1 of Picard might be the equivalent to going to the MU in DSC S1.

 

[thribs]

I meant issues with his personal and ethical behavior re: the casts of his series. He was a hundred times the showrunner of the Trek franchise that Gene or anybody else has ever been. I bow to his exceptional skills at keeping the Star Trek universe coherent and sensible. He kept Trek believable and in line with its own internal continuity.

But he's a little skeevy about women who work for him.

Just sounds like a typical Hollywood man to me.

 

[CorporalClegg]

And that makes it okay?

FFS

 

[DarthPipes]

I really enjoyed this episode. Been a fan of TNG since almost the beginning and was looking forward to Picard for a long time. I had been a little concerned with a few of the negative reviews I'd read but I was not disappointed with this.

Patrick Stewart was very good and it was great to see Picard again.

I appreciate the continuity references and it ties into the events of the last movie and the Romulan storyline from the JJverse very well. I was very surprised with Bruce Maddox being such a plot point but I appreciated it as Maddox, despite only appearing on the show once (and being mentioned a few other times) was important to the development of the Data character and would be the most likely to be involved in the creation of artificial lifeforms.

Loved the look of the show, from Starfleet to France to the special effects.

Appreciated the reference to Dunkirk.

There was some storyline awkwardness to be sure but it was a strong start and I can't wait for more.

 

[Jadeb]

I just wouldn't want to see the arc repeat a similar direction they took with DSC S2 (fighting the evil bad guys after a more thoughtful set-up) and run the risk of having viewers feel it is repetitive, when I think they have a nice set-up here for something unique. Bringing the Borg in to S1 of Picard might be the equivalent to going to the MU in DSC S1.

I share your concern. But they've given us a moral conundrum here that is, in one episode, already more sophisticated than the simplistic "torture is bad" and "genocide is bad" lessons we got from Discovery. So let's hope for the best.

 

[Zod]

I rather liked this episode. I would give it a solid 8 out of 10. First off seeing this character on the screen again is remarkable. I am sure that colors my objectivity a little.

I am playing a char in Star Trek online now and leveling the Federation questline. I am going through many stories of the Romulans after the destruction of their homeworld, as well as them playing with Borg technology so this episode feels well timed for me.

I rather loved the Borg Cube at the end. It looks fantastic. Can't wait to see where they go with it. I watched Red Letter media's review and did not agree with their notion that Picard didn't care much about Data so why is he so obsessed 20+ years later. From the show to the films you can see just how much Data means to him.

The only thing I didn't like is that I miss the era of the long movie-ish quality of episodes from earlier trek. Star Trek Voyager, Enterprise, DS9 all had better pilots. Those were longer and wrapped up. I would have liked that here but that is not JJ and (Kurtzman) companies style.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'll trust Berman over Kurtzman in a heartbeat when it comes to honoring Trek continuity but let's not pretend his behavior is "acceptably" normal nor should be shrugged off.

 

[Alan Roi]

I share your concern. But they've given us a moral conundrum here that is, in one episode, already more sophisticated than the simplistic "torture is bad" and "genocide is bad" lessons we got from Discovery. So let's hope for the best.

What could be more simplistic than the common TNG chestnut, "disagreeing with Captain Picard is bad". See? Everyone can play this game.