Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by The Old Mixer, Jan 8, 2020.

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  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If the only way to praise it is to bash something else I'll take the loss.
     
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  2. Krandor

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    BY what logic? Because discovery could learn from it? Not sure I follow the logic
     
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  3. Datasbeard

    Datasbeard Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    My point is precisely that this is a forum, a place for the exchange of ideas.
     
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  4. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Its not logical. It is pure emotional frustration at Picard being used to tear Discovery down.
     
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  5. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Let's dial back the confrontationalism, please. The golden rule around here is "the post, not the poster."

    Well, he does have his strange Martian power over women....

    Also, IIRC, there was a reference to a "Galactic Conference" back in STIII.

    Not sure what this is supposed to be. Are you quoting a Twitter post, or trying to respond to one here? If the latter, best to do that on Twitter.
     
  6. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    Geordi isn't dead. There's an interview where Beyer said everyone is still alive and could potentially appear.
     
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  7. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    Why would you let someone's opinion on something decide whether or not you would watch it? I can praise it a lot of different ways, interesting setup, great casting, fan service that actually works in the service of the story. But comparisons are going to be made, that is the nature of the beast.

    But the cold hard truth of the matter, in regards to Dahj, they gave me more to care about in 45 minutes than they have Michael Burnham in two seasons of Discovery.
     
  8. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    So much for drama. Behind-the-scenes folks need to stay behind-the-scenes.
     
  9. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    My choice. I loathe comparisons. Either it stands on it's own or it doesn't.
     
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    Most people I've heard or read over the past 25 years think Mallrats is garbage. I love it. A lot of Trek fans think ENT sucks the vacuum of space. I love it.

    I don't care if someone likes or hates something so long as they don't get personal when I challenge their reasoning. To each their own. Just don't drag yourself and me into the gutter arguing over it and we'll be fine.
     
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  11. The Habs Fan

    The Habs Fan Commodore Commodore

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    I’ll agree with mostly everyone: I loved it!! I even really liked the theme music. Yes it’s definitely the most understated and quiet Trek theme yet but I think it suits the show perfectly. The melody is nice too.

    Can’t wait to see where the story goes from here
     
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  12. Tim Thomason

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    Star Trek: Picard could learn alot from Discovery. Picard, while "not a sequel to TNG" doesn't establish much. If you don't know who Picard is, his quirks, his relationship with Data, who Data is, his background, the show doesn't give you much to work with. Discovery is standalone, having to establish almost all its moving parts, with continuity refs as flavor and only the ubiquitous Star Trek setting to assist.

    Discovery handles serialization slightly better, usually providing a good three-act structure to every episode. Picard's first episode doesn't seem to be too detached from the overall serial. It starts with him at home and ends with him leaving, there are three acts, but it doesn't feel like a proper establishing episode. Not much happens, odd to say, compared to every other series opener. And at 46 minutes, it's shorter than all the TNG on spinoffs (which had two-parters/feature length presentations).

    There. That should satisfy your curiosity from the point of view of someone not "bashing" the only other modern Star Trek series.

    And alot of this is too early to tell. Maybe Remembrance will be the greatest opener of all time, when compared to the series and how it fits the overall narrative. If you love Discovery, give Picard a try. Don't ever measure your potential enjoyment of a product based on the opinion of an internet fanatic. Even mine.
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    Mallats is fantastic.
     
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  14. jaime

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    It isn’t the only way.
    But it is true.
    But...put it this way, series one of DSC could have learnt a lot from series 2.

    I find it extremely likely that any long term Trek fan, whether they like DSC or not, is going to possibly rate Picards first episode higher than DSCs.
     
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  15. Tim Thomason

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    Thankfully, BTS comments aren't canon. There's still a chance that Beyer is flat out lying to us, or at least, they'll tap dance around it until potentially reversing it in Season 2.

    I still think, that if Geordi was alive, Picard would be calling him up with regards to this "Data's daughter" problem, and not dealing with Dr. Jurati and Daystrom. Maybe he's on the Challenger or whatever.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    I won't compare the two. One has no bearing on the other for me.
     
  17. Krandor

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    I don’t see it as tearing discovery down. I think the current production teams are learning and improving. Dsc season 2 was better then season 1. Picard ep 1 was better then discovery season 2. Hopefully dsc season 3 is better then pic season 1.

    I think we’re just seeing an evolution of the people running Trek and not bashing any show.
     
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  18. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    Those people are insane. Mallrats is a masterpiece of nerd cinema and was several years ahead of its time

    which is true.

    wait. are you comparing Mallrats with the hot mess that was ENT? Alright, duel at sundown it is.
     
  19. jaime

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    I have to disagree...there is dialogue addressing every point you mention in your first paragraph in the first episode. It does assume some degree of familiarity, but then...it’s Captain Picard. Even outside of Trek circles it’s aniconic character.
     
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    That ruled
     
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