Tomorrow morning just can't get here quickly enough. With episode 2 there will be a new thread and new things to discuss. I am excite
Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"
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If anyone is interested my weekly podcast is doing a Picard review each week. The round table discussion includes one die hard Trekie and two casual fans so hopefully we can have a balanced discussion. It's SPOILER heavy and some NSFW language occasionally.
https://twitter.com/TalkingMovies3/status/1222638171676119043?s=19
#179 Obi Wan is Forceless: The discussion for Picard stars at 1:09:15. Available from most Podcast platforms.
Edit: looks like my Twitter link is being striped out the show is called Talking@theMovies
https://twitter.com/TalkingMovies3/status/1222638171676119043?s=19
#179 Obi Wan is Forceless: The discussion for Picard stars at 1:09:15. Available from most Podcast platforms.
Edit: looks like my Twitter link is being striped out the show is called Talking@theMovies
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I'm glad that these apologies were reached without exactly the need to open up the can of worms to find out who was at fault or more wrong etc. The fact is Picard has always been a hero, and in "The Enemy" when he told Tomolak that he would make the first move to peace, and lower the shields, that is like the first person to reach across and apologize no matter who he might think was at fault. I think it's a great gesture.
The inability to handle seeing bare breasts without become highly agitated seems a purile response to me. The utilization of space nazi and cannibal from the get go strongly suggests that being a flagbearer for nuance isn't your strong suit, and that you figure the best way to win an argument is to start with the most extreme position, regardless of how immature it comes across or how lacking in nuance because it ignores context in favor of hyperbole. I feel like I'm responding to an argument that was put together to sound smart to twelve year olds. So I'll stop here.
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I see. I described accurately what we actually saw on Discovery, if that seemed immature to you, then the fault does not lie with the messenger. But as you seem to have run out of even bad arguments and result to outright insults, it might indeed be wiser to end this conversation.
Portraying breasts is not childish. Same with the Mirror Universe.
How one responds to those, however, is a different matter.
How one responds to those, however, is a different matter.
At Castbox, is yours the one where Last episode #178 Kung Fu reboot?
Hey, Jean luc admits he's felt a stranger to himself many times to Dajh, How many times has that been caught on screen?
Assimilated by the borg
Forced to live an entire life as an alien on an alien planet
de-aged to a fifteen year old by a transporter accident.
Forced to relive his life as a twenty year old cougar chaser.
How many have I missed?
Assimilated by the borg
Forced to live an entire life as an alien on an alien planet
de-aged to a fifteen year old by a transporter accident.
Forced to relive his life as a twenty year old cougar chaser.
How many have I missed?
What about the devolution virus (or whatever it was called) where Picard is consumed with fear?
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Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome?
Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome?
I have no issue with saying that Lorca was a massive missed opportunity to say something about PTSD and functioning in the real world, the Klingon boob was about as "adult" as the catsuits of the 90's, the Mirror Universe has been laughable simplicity going all the way back to "Mirror, Mirror". "Look! They eat people! They must be the bad guys!"
From my perspective, Discovery was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the nads. While Trek has often lacked subtlety, Discovery was supposed to be a new day, a new platform, a new take on Trek. The only thing remotely "new" about it was using the arc format to stretch a two-part story into fifteen episodes.
And you described it all out of context hyperbolically and entirely lacking in nuance.
It is not, and I have zero problem with nudity in general; bring on the enlightened Terran naturists and their love instructors! But nudity is rarely done in Trek, and bringing it in a rape scene is problematic. And they specifically had to build a naked Klingon female latex suit for that one scene. Think about it! It was so important to get those tits in that rape scene that they spent time and money for that. It's fucked up.
Corrected.
I give it 100 pages before the "Maps & Symbols" thread veers off topic temporarily and 150 before it veers off permanently.
The lack of nuance is due the source material. Besides, weren't you done?
As with Picard, enjoying Discovery to the utmost does require viewers, IMO, to not watch it the same way as we did TNG for example. Saying something about PTSD wouldn't be "new" for Star Trek. The Klingon 'boob' took place in a HR Giger inspired scene of body horror. If one is going to do body horror, then bodies have to be involved. Should one consider Giger's art purile because it shows boobs? And if you are going to present a species as cattle on it's home world, that's like Chekhov's gun (or phaser in this case). And if you are going to present the Mirror Universe as a funhouse mirror, then going full Lewis Carroll then how out of place is it to alude to a situation like the walrus and the carpenter?
As for Picard, we get a whole lot of old school noir detective cliches that don't offer a whole lot of nuance even though that is claimed. Some ridiculous technobabble to explain what is going on. A character seeming inspired by Joss Whedon's obsession over size 3 teenage girls who at the snap of the finger become killing machines capable of flattening Buicks, but all proceeding at a placid pace and starring Patrick Stewart to provide the assurance that everything is going to be OK, because Captain Picard is here, and if there's anything that TNG taught all of us is that to be reassured when Jean Luc is on the case. I gave it an 8/10 for a good reason. It is a decent hour of being what it is. But to celebrate it for its nuance is a little premature, I think.
It's an HR Giger inspired horror scene. You consider HR Giger fucked up?
You don't seem to want to be. I have discovered lots of nuance in all sorts of art when I changed my perspective and learned something new about it. But I understand my attitudes about art may not be common ones.