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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Which they recalled before the job was done.

They put together a fleet of mothballed ships, it appears, to rescue the Romulans. Mars was attacked, the fleet was destroyed. It sounds to me like The Federation decided then it was more important to protect their people in the wake of the attack than risk more Federation lives by putting together a new armada from active service ships. Which is all they would have had available and would have left the Federation vulnerable to more attacks leading to the loss of more Federation lives. Picard decided that wasn't right, that they had an obligation to the Romulans regardless of the risk to Federation lives and resigned in a self-righteous huff.
 
Didn't they "walk away" because of the Mars attack? Wasn't the capability to conduct the rescue significantly hampered by this attack? Maybe I just missed some details, but I wasn't under the impression that the Federation suddenly just did a 180 and said "phuck the Romulans."
That's exactly what Picard accuses them of - naturally, this is from his perspective, but all of our 'great and noble federation' stuff from TNG was largely also from his perspective. Perhaps he is a foolish ideologue with little grip on the complexities of the real world, but his view is definitely that the Federation betrayed its principles.

their people

Federation lives

Federation lives

Federation lives

Yes, this was exactly Picard's point. Lives are lives.
 
That's exactly what Picard accuses them of - naturally, this is from his perspective, but all of our 'great and noble federation' stuff from TNG was largely also from his perspective. Perhaps he is a foolish ideologue with little grip on the complexities of the real world, but his view is definitely that the Federation betrayed its principles.

Here the Federation acts in a kneejerk reaction, understandably. To Picard, a promise is a promise, regardless of the risk.
 
The armada thing never made much sense. They are a Star Empire. They should be able to do the majority of the evacuation. Starfleet could help with what they have with the ships they already have, not to mention the Klingons and the other friendly powers.
 
That's exactly what Picard accuses them of - naturally, this is from his perspective, but all of our 'great and noble federation' stuff from TNG was largely also from his perspective. Perhaps he is a foolish ideologue with little grip on the complexities of the real world, but his view is definitely that the Federation betrayed its principles.

I've actually (despite my appreciation for the character and the actor) always considered Picard to be a bit of a Kool-Aid drinker when it comes to Federation ideology and idealism. So, this actually fits for me.

But I do think that the Federation had reasons for abandoning the rescue operation that were more complicated than just "well....that IS unfortunate...oh well, I guess the Romulans will have to die now."

Although, we saw that in the 23rd Century, there were certainly elements of the Federation and in Starfleet who were willing to let the Klingons die. Hell, Kirk was essentially aligned that way for a brief time.

The armada thing never made much sense. They are a Star Empire. They should be able to do the majority of the evacuation. Starfleet could help with what they have with the ships they already have, not to mention the Klingons and the other friendly powers.

This may very well have been the case. Afterall, the Federation's capacity was only 900 million Romulans...but there were likely billions on Romulus.

Also, if I remember from the Countdown comics and from Star Trek (2009), the effects of the supernova were on a more accelerated timeline than the powers expected. Sounds like a perfect storm of problems.

My question is: Did the synths purposefully sabotage the rescue effort, and if so, why? It sounds like they only attacked Mars. It wasn't an attack on the Federation in general....
 
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As I say, I hope it is explored. It is one of the most interesting threads from the backstory of Picard. I wonder whether today's Trek writers will be more prepared to challenge the assumption that Picard is always right.

So far they aren't.
 
I've actually (despite my appreciation for the character and the actor) always considered Picard to be a bit of a Kool-Aid drinker when it comes to Federation ideology and idealism. So, this actually fits for me.

But I do think that the Federation had reasons for abandoning the rescue operation that were more complicated than just "well....that IS unfortunate...oh well, I guess the Romulans will have to die now."

Although, we saw that in the 23rd Century, there were certainly elements of the Federation and in Starfleet who were willing to let the Klingons die. Hell, Kirk was essentially aligned that way for a brief time.

I think it was more of, the decision was made to defend the Federation against more potential Synth attacks and Federation lives which are now demonstrably at risk. remains to be seen if we actually get that argument from someone.
 
The armada thing never made much sense. They are a Star Empire. They should be able to do the majority of the evacuation. Starfleet could help with what they have with the ships they already have, not to mention the Klingons and the other friendly powers.
The Romulans are always ones loathed to involved outsiders. They are a proud people who would rather maintain their own affairs while keeping up the appearance that everything is under control.

Also, given the tumult of the Dominion War and Shinzon's coup, resources are probably far more limited than the Romulans would want to admit.
 
The 'federation' is a stretch, but the reporters' line 'Romulan lives' has probably prompted the question, which I think is a legitimate one. Why did/does it matter to the Starfleet of this era that the lives were Romulan?

Did it matter to Starfleet, or was the reporter simply using it to agitate Picard?
 
That's exactly what Picard accuses them of - naturally, this is from his perspective, but all of our 'great and noble federation' stuff from TNG was largely also from his perspective. Perhaps he is a foolish ideologue with little grip on the complexities of the real world, but his view is definitely that the Federation betrayed its principles.









Yes, this was exactly Picard's point. Lives are lives.
It’s a very American thing that. In the media when they only seem to care about American lives in disasters.
 
Did it matter to Starfleet, or was the reporter simply using it to agitate Picard?

She did go on to talk about the 92,000 lives lost in the Mars attack, so I think there was a point being made there: should Federation lives matter more to Starfleet?
 
The Romulans are always ones loathed to involved outsiders. They are a proud people who would rather maintain their own affairs while keeping up the appearance that everything is under control.

Also, given the tumult of the Dominion War and Shinzon's coup, resources are probably far more limited than the Romulans would want to admit.
I imagine the Romulans would have got their fleet back up in the 10 year’s since. I think the writers sometimes underestimate the size of these powers’ fleets. They would be considerably large to maintain these empires.
 
Did it matter to Starfleet, or was the reporter simply using it to agitate Picard?

to what end? while there certainly are journalists who rather rudly misbehave (and she's one of them) those normaly have an agenda (could be their own careers, though). in my book it backfired on her. she needs to ask jj abrams to reboot her life
 
to what end? while there certainly are journalists who rather rudly misbehave (and she's one of them) those normaly have an agenda (could be their own careers, though). in my book it backfired on her. she needs to ask jj abrams to reboot her life
In what way did it backfire for her? She went to a subject they had agreed beforehand was off the table, but instead of refusing to answer, Picard gave his reasons for leaving Starfleet, and she got that out of him. If anything Fed Net would probably give her a raise (although if in the 24th century, money still doesn't exist I don't know what form it would take. ;))
 
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