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Here's my review of the book: https://booknest.eu/reviews/charles/2479-startrekpicardsecondself

STAR TREK: PICARD is something of a broken base for me. It's one of my all-time favorite time periods in the Star Trek chronology for the world-building set up in Season One: the Romulan supernova, the Synthetic Ban, the destruction of Mars, and the lawlessness of the former Neutral Zone. However, the simple fact is that Season Two had no interest in any of this and thus I must turn to secondary canon in order to get my fill. So far, I've very much enjoyed all of the books in the setting but just wish for more. MOAR.

The premise of this book is Raffi Musiker getting some much needed spotlight. I admit that I've already listened to PICARD: NO MAN'S LAND and enjoyed that exploration of her character as well as Seven's relationship with her. It was too short but I very much enjoyed it, so this already started with a heavy hurdle to overcome. Another heavy hurdle is the fact that this is a bridge novel between Season 1 and Season 2 when so many changes were betwene the finale versus the season opener.

So how does Una McCormick handle this? Well, she doesn't focus on a lot of the issues but does tackle one or two very well. Raffi has been offered a position back in Starfleet Intelligence due to the fact, well, she proved that THE DESTRUCTION OF MARS was a Romulan plot and that the head of Starfleet Intelligence was a double agent.

I'm going to come back to this but NO KIDDING she should be allowed back into Starfleet Intelligence. However, she's not sure she wants the job and Elnor is feeling aimless because he succeeded in the doomed cause he was supposed to not succeed on (if I understand my Romulan truth nun religion). Maybe he'll join Starfleet, maybe he'll do something else. Raffi instead recruits him on a mission to hunt a Cardassian war criminal that is suspiciously unnamed for half of the novel.

I admit I guessed the identity of the "war criminal" fairly early and am glad for their appearance in the story, though they did kind of steal the story from Raffi. I really enjoyed the focus on a smaller Bajoran/Cardassian/Romulan/Cardassian world, though. It kind of neatly tied together the various fallen empires and their interrelationships with one another. I also liked the ending, which I was surprised the Star Trek editors allowed Una McCormick to do since it writes such an important character out.

On the positives, I definitely like this depiction of Raffi and its interesting to see her in her younger idealistic days before she had her spirit broken by the Romulan Crisis. We get to see her confused and angry about so many people getting hooked on Space OpiumTM to cope with the horrors of the Dominion War while another character confronts her later about her own addiction. Personally, I don't think Raffi ever did anything harder than Space WeedTM and I don't think we have to worry about her doing that. I'm pretty sure that's considered a harmless treat in the 24th century. I'm with Seth MacFarlane there and I rarely am. I also loved Elnor's use in the story and he got some much needed character development.

If I had a problem with the story, it's that I really kind of feel like Raffi's situation is unchanged for what should be dramatic revelations. Starfleet Intelligence acts like she made them look foolish and my response is, "Yes, that's what being fools generally results in." She made the biggest intelligence coup of all time and exposed the worst security breach in Starfleet since TNG's "Conspiracy." They should be falling over themselves to apologize because they antagonized and belittled their comrade for years before the truth was exposed. The fact they don't is believable in the 21st century but marks them as complete scumbags by the 24th century. Hell, it marks them as such in this century too.

I also feel regretful we don't get to see her have a conversation with her son, Gabriel, who at the very least should at least acknowledge that his mother wasn't a crazy anti-Romulan bigot. No, I don't think it would repair their relationship because he was upset with her for the fact she was saving refugees instead of spending time with him (which, honestly, is not a good look either). However, I really would have liked them to have had another conversation on-page because I think that would have been good. Really, these are some particularly scummy and selfish 24th century types as they're way more concerned about their own feelings than the fate of millions.

One final bit of commentary is the book does something similar to James Luceno's TARKIN novel in that it does actually bring the broad strokes of a now-defunct canon back into, well, semi-canon. I saw a lot of nods to the DS9 relaunch material and while we don't mention specifics, I think it was all good to see. I hope the authors will continue to throw in such nods whenever possible.

I love Una McCormack's writing in general and while I didn't care for this as much as THE LAST BEST HOPE, I still felt it was a great Raffi novel AND the guest character novel. A fitting send off for them even if it's also sort of an ironic hell for him (I can think of no job he's less suited for than the one he ends up spending his twilight years stuck with). But what war crimes WAS he charged with?

9/10
 
I zipped through like half of this novel yesterday, staying up late to finish. Wow, great stuff! The bit in Part Three where we briefly jump forward to
Garak looking up the officer who he almost had a relationship with
was very poignant, really got me. Glad I chanced this novel. Raffi feels like a real person here in a way she never quite does for me on the show, and Elnor is such a great character if you give him even the tiniest amount of focus.
 
This is my favorite of the Star Trek: Picard novels. I was completely enthralled through the entire thing—It has been quite some time since I've felt the need to not put down a Star Trek book.

I enjoyed, as others have mentioned, seeing the younger and more idealistic version of Raffi. I also enjoyed some of the focus on Elnor and the struggles he's having with his place. Elnor definitely got the short end of the stick in Season Two of Picard, so the focus on him here was appreciated.

I also enjoyed seeing the relationship between Raffi and her Romulan counterpart (whose name escapes me at the moment). Seeing the mutual respect they held for each other (while still very much being adversaries) was refreshing vs. simply seeing a "mustache-twirling" villain. I did feel that the ticking clock of the eventual Romulan takeover was a bit forced, but that is but a minor quibble.

I will admit though that Garek's story was a mixed bag for me. Although I did figure out who the Cardassian war criminal was early on, I did enjoy seeing a glimpse into what he was doing early in his career during the Bajoran Occupation. I also enjoyed seeing that he had some conflict going on in his head even then. But, I struggled with the resolution of his story. Yes, part of my struggle is because of his death (and I had always hoped he would pop up again on TV), but it was also about how Garak became so singularly focused on this group of Bajorans. I can't really put my finger on what about that bugged me, but it did leave me a bit unsettled.

But, overall, I loved this book. Thank you Una McCormack for this beautiful story.
 
I will admit though that Garek's story was a mixed bag for me. Although I did figure out who the Cardassian war criminal was early on, I did enjoy seeing a glimpse into what he was doing early in his career during the Bajoran Occupation. I also enjoyed seeing that he had some conflict going on in his head even then. But, I struggled with the resolution of his story. Yes, part of my struggle is because of his death (and I had always hoped he would pop up again on TV), but it was also about how Garak became so singularly focused on this group of Bajorans. I can't really put my finger on what about that bugged me, but it did leave me a bit unsettled.

But, overall, I loved this book. Thank you Una McCormack for this beautiful story.

It is, indeed, a great book.

But yes, I did find it a bit weird that Garak spent the rest of his life among Bajorans. He was always one of the Carsassians least associated with the Occupation and his mind was always focused on what had happened to the Cardassian race over what had happened to them. It's not a bad ending for him but I admit it's not what I would have expected him to view as his "atonement."
 
...well, anyway, this has been just marvelous.

'Last Best Hope' made me think about the Brexit and other crises threatening the European Union. In the case of 'Second Self' my mind went immediately to the situation of Blue Helmets in Srebrenica. And against that serious backdrop, the Garak plot seemed just perfect.
 
Just finished this myself. I'd read both Picard prequel novels, but decided to hold off on this and the audio-play until I'd watched season one. Given the overwhelming positive buzz on season three, I figured the moment's finally come, and I decided do the series and tie-ins in chronological order (now I just need to blast through ten episodes of season two ASAP).

The book was great. It was particularly interesting seeing Garak again, and not just from the outside, but as a villain. Not the worst of the worst (that would probably go for the Romulan commander who was really hot for massacres), but he did have an overarching contempt for those around him in his POV segment, he murdered several people to make a point, he was apparently proven to be culpable in some amount of war-crimes in the Occupation (though it was ambiguous if it was just the razing of this particular village or if there was something else that happened on Bajor that dulled down his post-war reputation), and he's constantly turning that incisive Garak wit against people we like, pretty much as brutally as we've ever seen when he's not going through withdrawal. Especially seeing him turn into a mascot or icon in contemporary fandom, it was good to see him almost exclusively by the rough edges that are normally rubbed off.

I did have a few lingering questions. I didn't really expect any details to come out of Laris, Zhaban, and Garak's history, but I did think it was odd that Garak seemed to know about Raffi's connection to her. Is he omniscient? Also, it seemed like there was another shoe waiting to drop with the paintings of faded, abstract figures on the temple walls, but if there was, I wasn't able to put it together, and there was no overt revelation.
 
Just finished this book, finally. I've been busy lately so haven't had much time for reading (guess that's one of the few good things about there being so few new books--though I hope this isn't the new normal for books).

Originally I wasn't going to get it because I disliked season 2 of Picard so much (so much so that it will be the first every Star Trek production I have no plans on buying a hard copy of--I have zero desire to ever see it again). Thankfully I found season 3 far superior. BUT...I'm glad I decided to. I figured this would be a separate story more or less from season 2, though it does foreshadow Raffi's time at the Academy leading into season 2 and her relationship with Elnor (and whether on purpose or just by happenstance Raffi's future with intelligence in season 3). And where the characters are at the start of season 2.

And usually I enjoy McCormack's novels. I always saw her strength as character building, and there is a lot of that here. I also enjoy a good mystery and eerie stories, and there's a lot of that here. She also gives us more background on Raffi's past. And Garak is always an enjoyable character and what happens to him ultimately is very interesting.

I also noticed that McCormack did pull a few elements from the now dead relaunch novelverse, where it didn't conflict. Usually little details or what you can call Easter eggs I guess. Particularly with what happened to Cardassia after the Dominion War. There were little bits that I recognized from some of the previous DS9 novels, especially ones that she had written (which isn't surprising really).

I won't lie, I miss the continuing relaunch stories and the ongoing narrative we got spoiled with. The novels have gone back to being just tie in works, giving more detail to the background of the shows and the characters in the show. That is the way of things when there are current shows. But so far I have enjoyed most of the tie in novels and this is no exception. I rated this book as very good. It does 2 things well, it gives some additional background to characters in the show. And she tells a good story too that is entertaining. The only weakness I saw, and why I didn't rate it outstanding (which TBH I rarely use anyway) is I was more interested in the historical stories that took place in the past (and there were 2 flashbacks basically to keep track of). The current story didn't hold my interest as well.

So even if you're like me and intensely disliked season 2 of Picard, I'd still recommend this book.
 
And why shouldn't Garak be a true hero? he did regret a lot of things in his past and did his best to correct those.
And this novel doesn't change that. He prevented a bunch of bajorans and a orb from being killed and captured.

If he hadn't beeen destroyed and killed off we could have had much more Garak stories cronologically.
The novel takes place in 2399, there's still tons of stories to tell about him between DS9 and then, plus stories that can be told before then.

Dayton Ward's upcoming novel, Pliable Truths, takes place shortly before DS9 Season 1 and Garek is on the cover.
 
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And this novel doesn't change that. He prevented a bunch of bajorans and a orb from being killed and captured.


The novel takes place in 2399, there's still tons of stories to tell about him between DS9 and then, plus stories that can be told before then.

Dayton Ward's upcoming novel, Pliable Truths, takes place shortly before DS9 Season 1 and Garek is on the cover.
And then he turned into a Bajoran himself.

Honestly, it made him look like an idiot. Not the cardassian patriot Garag we saw in the series and who we could read about in Andrew j Robinsons excellent book A Stitch in Time.

And of course, he's killed off at the end!

I'm tired of seeing my favorite characters being killed off in books and series.


The sad thing is that I really liked Una MacCormacks books, The Never-Ending Sacrifice and The Crimson Shadow.

They gave me my lost faith in TrekLit back together with A Stitch In Time, Andrew J Robinson's masterpiece.

Finally, I thought. Finally I have found a book series which I can follow, one about one of my absolute favorite characters.

And when I went out on Memory Beta to see what more interesting books about Garak I could find, then I got this.

It was like visiting a person with who I have had a terrible argument once and then made up with and thinking, "ah, that one is not such a bad person after all" and then being stabbed in the back when I entered the building.

How many books has she written about Garak except for those mentioned above? I found one with a picture of Garak on the front called Enigma Tales which I actually had some thhoughts to buy but I found some disturbing things about Julian Bashir there so I got second thoughts and when i continued to dig in all that I found the horrible Second Self.

And there and then died my interest for TrekLit and everything Trek produced in this horrible decade.

I suppose that Bashir will be the next victim. Or is he already killed off?

So who's next? Maybe I should set up bettings on which great character who will be annihilated next.
The winner gets a DVD box with the winners's favorite series where the DVDs will self-destruct after one or two viweings. :lol:

However, I will take a look at Dayton Ward's upcoming novel, Pliable Truths but I will try to find out as much as possible about the content before buying it or reading it.
 
And then he turned into a Bajoran himself.
Honestly, it made him look like an idiot. Not the cardassian patriot Garag we saw in the series and who we could read about in Andrew j Robinsons excellent book A Stitch in Time.
And of course, he's killed off at the end!
Characters die. Even favorite ones (Happens to more than one DS9R characters)..
But when the storytelling is non-linear (across the publishing line), that does not mean you can't enjoy further stories with them.

I'm tired of seeing my favorite characters being killed off in books and series.
What other favorite characters were 'killed off in books'?

The sad thing is that I really liked Una MacCormacks books, The Never-Ending Sacrifice and The Crimson Shadow.
They gave me my lost faith in TrekLit back together with A Stitch In Time, Andrew J Robinson's masterpiece.
What happened to make you 'lose faith' the first time? If Una's books gave it back to you, something happened to lose it in the first place, right?

Finally, I thought. Finally I have found a book series which I can follow, one about one of my absolute favorite characters.
Second Self was under the PICARD banner - the series itself was never going to be about Garak... Why would you think otherwise?

And there and then died my interest for TrekLit and everything Trek produced in this horrible decade.
the decade of 2390's? or the real-world decade of the 2020's? what is 'this horrible decade'?

I suppose that Bashir will be the next victim. Or is he already killed off?
So who's next? Maybe I should set up bettings on which great character who will be annihilated next.
Killed (rather than 'killed off') does not "annihilate" a fictional character.. and the fate of Bashir is actually in a different universe to that of Second Self.. The Enigma Tales Garak is not the Second Self Garak.

However, I will take a look at Dayton Ward's upcoming novel, Pliable Truths but I will try to find out as much as possible about the content before buying it or reading it.
So.. the character of Garak han't been annihilated.. it's right there on the cover.
 
The Enigma Tales Garak is not the Second Self Garak.
I had to look up Enigma Tales; I'd completely forgotten it. Am I correct in guessing that "The Enigma Tales Garak is not the Second Self Garak" because Enigma Tales takes place in the timeline that the CODA books dubbed "First Splinter"?
 
Characters die. Even favorite ones (Happens to more than one DS9R characters)..
But when the storytelling is non-linear (across the publishing line), that does not mean you can't enjoy further stories with them.


What other favorite characters were 'killed off in books'?
I'm not sure which other favorite characters who have been killed off in thew books, except Garak.
Maybe Bashir, I'm not sure.
But some of my favorites were either destroyed or killed off in the series, among them Kes and Gowron. Therefore it's sad that the books continues in the same way.

What happened to make you 'lose faith' the first time? If Una's books gave it back to you, something happened to lose it in the first place, right?
I wasn't happy with what happened in the "Relaunch" books where too many great characters from the series were shoved aside and replaced by characters who wasn't in any series. That's why I started to lose interest.

And then I find some books I really like and once again the same thing happens.

Second Self was under the PICARD banner - the series itself was never going to be about Garak... Why would you think otherwise?

So much more reasons to not kill of Garak in a book series which isn't about him. As for Piicard, that series is about toset some dystopian record. The disgisting torture annd death of Icheb, Picard killed off and resurrected as some sort of android, the destruction of Romulus and now Garak.

the decade of 2390's? or the real-world decade of the 2020's? what is 'this horrible decade'?
The 2020's. A dystopian decade whic we can see in music, movies and books.

Killed (rather than 'killed off') does not "annihilate" a fictional character.. and the fate of Bashir is actually in a different universe to that of Second Self.. The Enigma Tales Garak is not the Second Self Garak.
Another reason not to kill off Garak at all. I was actually checking on Memory beta about further books with Garak as one of the main characters and was planning to buy The Enigma Tales when I saw some disturbing comment about Bashir. So I continued to search for information and then I found what happened in Second Self. And so the "Peaceful Lynx" became the "angry Lynx" again.
As for Bashir, in which universe is he still normal?

So.. the character of Garak han't been annihilated.. it's right there on the cover.
Yes, but what will happen to him in that book. Will he be revaled as Gul Darheel's main executor at Gallitep or what?
 
when I saw some disturbing comment about Bashir.
Could you please say what this is?

We can't understand your point of view if you don't explain it.

the destruction of Romulus
That came from Star Trek 09, Picard couldn't just contradict it.

As for Bashir, in which universe is he still normal?
Define normal.

that series is about toset some dystopian record.
Picard is not dystopian.

I'm not sure which other favorite characters who have been killed off in thew books, except Garak.
Technically everyone in Star Trek has died at least once in the books, if you count ceasing to exist counts as dying.
 
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Could you please say what this is?

We can't understand your point of view if you don't explain it.

Later, Garak succumbs to visiting Bashir in the ward, and speaks to him despite his catatonic state.


That came from Star Trek 09, Picard couldn't just contradict it.
My mistake. I haven't seen Star Trek 09 since I don't care about those NuTrek movies. They are also dystopian and boring.
Picard could have avoiding it and maybe contradict it as well.


Define normal.
In this case I mean not as he is in the spoiler I provided above but the normal, happy sympathetic guy we saw in the series DS9.


Picard is not dystopian.
I find it dark and dystopian. A "Mirror Universe" TNG.
That series is also one of my great disappointments. Ever since the beginning of the 2000:s, I've been waiting for a series which would bring back the 24th century and when we finally got it, then it is that dystopian, doom-and-gloom mess that Picard is.


Technically everyone in Star Trek has died at least once in the books, if you count ceasing to exist counts as dying.
Depends on what you mean. If "cease to exist" means that they aren't mentioned in any books anymore, then I don't know.

But if "ceasing to exist" means that they are killed off or destroyed as characters, yest that's what I mean.
 
Well, Bashir has not been happy for pretty much the 2nd half of DS9 (the Dominion War, basically), and as for 'normal'? does that take into account his genetic engineering?

From my POV, and you may well disagree, your rant has nothing to do with actual 'character destruction' (whatever that may mean) and seems more along the lines of ranting 'I didn't like what happened to a favorite character in book/plotline X, so that character is dead to me, the person who wrote it is icky, and I don't ant to play anymore'...

You like Garak? great!
You want to read as much about him? Great! there are plenty of past and upcoming material!
You don't like what happened in a certain book? That's very much OK - everyone like what they like
Was a fictional character 'destroyed' because of plot developments? Only to you, it seems.
 
They are also dystopian
You do not know what that word means, as you keep using it wrong.

The Kelvin films in no way meet the definition of that word. Especially the third one.

Later, Garak succumbs to visiting Bashir in the ward, and speaks to him despite his catatonic state.
You gotta stop reading these things out of context. That’s in no way ‘disturbing’ if you actually read the stories that lead to it, and the ones that followed up it.

Please actually read the books and stop spoiling yourself on out of context wiki articles. It’s only hurting you even more.
 
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I find it dark and dystopian. A "Mirror Universe" TNG.
Well it isn’t. Especially not Season 3.

There’s also two other post-nemesis 24th century shows on that are definitely not dystopian, as they’re both lighthearted, one is a comedy abd one is directed towards younger people.
 
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