PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[Mark_Nguyen]

The trailer for episode 9 is out.

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- We're gonna see a LOOOOOT of starships in formation. Parade formation? In assorted fleet scenes in DS9 et.al. it's very rare that any of the fleet formations had any sort of pattern to them.

- We're gonna see a LOOOOOT of starship names too. I'm sure we'll get a comprehensive list here eventually but I can see some faves behind Geordi in one shot, including the Venture, Sutherland - presumably their Sovereign and Sutherland-class iterations.

- Worf introduces a briefing (?) with a unique multi-monitor setup, using a bunch of freestanding consoles arranged to show off the whole Starfleet naval review. This is great and all, but why do it this way? Starfleet has had ample resources to have a holographic display do this, or even use the main viewer on the bridge for its sheer size. Will they be interacting with it in some way?

- It also seems to be on the sickbay set, but I doubt they'll actually be IN sickbay.

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

That cannot be all of Starfleet. There were countless ships of just one class in that standoff with the Romulans in Picard S1. They would easily fill up all the monitors

Also, is that an artificial wormhole (from TMP) forming next to the starbase at 0:09s?

 

[matthunter]

Live action Cali class in that shot or GTFO.

 

[fireproof78]

- We're gonna see a LOOOOOT of starships in formation. Parade formation? In assorted fleet scenes in DS9 et.al. it's very rare that any of the fleet formations had any sort of pattern to them.

Yes, but they're all connected now.

 

[Deks]

That cannot be all of Starfleet. There were countless ships of just one class in that standoff with the Romulans in Picard S1. They would easily fill up all the monitors

Also, is that an artificial wormhole (from TMP) forming next to the starbase at 0:09s?

If it IS all of Starfleet, its pathetic. Did they pull all ships from the borders, deep space exploration etc. for this?
Its ridiculous to think this is anything but a tiny speck of a fleet that should be the rest of SF.

 

[DEWLine]

Agreed. No way that it's all of Starfleet's active roster of ships. It's enough to make a big fat target for someone to exploit, though.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

We’ll certainly figure out a headcanon that makes some sense based on whatever we’ll eventually see and hear. Maybe this is all the front-line ships in the whole fleet. Maybe it was the entire First Fleet. And there’s no way they’d practically bring EVERYONE back, when there really ought to be ships many years away.

And we don’t see any ancient ships. In TNG we see ship designs that are 70+ years old, even if many of the specific examples may have been only half or two thirds that age; this time there are few if any ship designs that are older than the Akira class of (probably) the 2350s or 60s. It does seem that events like the Dominion War encouraged a fleet wide modernization overall, including the permanent retirement of older classes of ship.

Mark

 

[Deks]

We’ll certainly figure out a headcanon that makes some sense based on whatever we’ll eventually see and hear. Maybe this is all the front-line ships in the whole fleet. Maybe it was the entire First Fleet. And there’s no way they’d practically bring EVERYONE back, when there really ought to be ships many years away.

And we don’t see any ancient ships. In TNG we see ship designs that are 70+ years old, even if the specific examples may have been only half that at most; this time there are few if any ship designs that are older than the Akira class of (probably) the 2350s or 60s. It slides seem that events like the Dominion War encouraged a fleet wide modernization overall, including the permanent retirement of older classes of ship.

Mark

Even so called 'ancient' ships would have been upgraded by now to 25th century standards internally and externally... so there's no reason to think some 80 or 100 year old ships aren't in that fleet (you just wouldn't be able to recognize them).

But, I would wager given the limited thinking of some Trek writers, they will certainly say or try to claim that's the whole Starfleet in that gathering... because, its the kind of nonsensical thing I can see Trek writers doing and that this would somehow cripple the Federation (when in fact, this should just be a standard/sub-standard number of ships in a fleet per each UFP member solar system at any given time - so in my head, I'm thinking similar fleets, times 150 are out there spread through the Federation.... and at least similar amount or more out exploring on deep space misions).

 

[fireproof78]

Agreed. No way that it's all of Starfleet's active roster of ships. It's enough to make a big fat target for someone to exploit, though.

It's enough is sufficient for me. If they say "all" I'll chock it up to hyperbole, which humans are want to do.

 

[Stuart Wilson]

Yeah, I assume by "all" that they mean "all the operational ships that can reasonably be expected to return in time" If you were an adversary then the ability to destroy or incapacitate all those ships in one go would be enough to basically wreck Starfleet and the Federation. The rest of the fleet would be scattered all over the place and could be picked off one by one or in small groups.
Google images of the Coronation fleet review in 1953 for example or 1977. They didn't contain every ship in the Royal navy but had they all been sunk then what was left wouldn't have been enough to take on a major opponent.

 

[blssdwlf]

If all those ships were gathering in one spot just use their new network function to hold the ships in place and chuck a device into the star to blow the system apart.

 

[DEWLine]

@Stuart Wilson I found an example:

https://web.archive.org/web/2017031...hmsvanguard.homestead.com/files/Anchorage.jpg

Also, speaking to the concept of fleet reviews in general:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_review

 

[Dukhat]

Active Starfleet vessel classes as of 2401:

1. Sagan
2. Echelon
3. Excelsior II
4. Constitution III
5. Duderstadt
6. Sovereign
7. Ross
8. Gagarin
9. Sutherland
10. Reliant
11. Inquiry
12. Luna
13. Akira
14. Odyssey
15. Pathfinder

 

[Dukhat]

I’m assuming that the above ships will be the entirety of Starfleet when we see them on Frontier Day. I’m also assuming that older classes have either been decommissioned or are being used by civilians with a NAR prefix, like the Aleos.

 

[Deks]

It's enough is sufficient for me. If they say "all" I'll chock it up to hyperbole, which humans are want to do.

If they do say 'all', I'll chock it up to writer stupidity which makes 0 in-universe

Active Starfleet vessel classes as of 2401:

1. Sagan
2. Echelon
3. Excelsior II
4. Constitution III
5. Duderstadt
6. Sovereign
7. Ross
8. Gagarin
9. Sutherland
10. Reliant
11. Inquiry
12. Luna
13. Akira
14. Odyssey
15. Pathfinder

If the Sovereign class is still in active use, then why was the Enterprise-E decomissioned?
It had a lifespan of all about 10 years or so.

 

[fireproof78]

If they do say 'all', I'll chock it up to writer stupidity which makes 0 in-universe

I think I'll turn my Terry YATI voodoo doll in to a "Stupid Writers" voodoo doll and send it to you at the end of the season. That makes perfect sense

If the Sovereign class is still in active use, then why was the Enterprise-E decomissioned?
It had a lifespan of all about 10 years or so.

I'm starting to wonder if it isn't the ship class itself but the particular name that they feel the need to decommission. In ST 3 the Enterprise was "20 years old" was enough justification to say her time was done.

 

[valkyrie013]

Not all the fleet, just Impossible. Some places take Months, 3-4 or so, to get there from Earth, So, your going to get them to come back, 3 months, do 5 minutes, then 3 months back, while whatever they were doing, border security, research, etc. is not done for 6 months.. ah.. no.

 

[Dukhat]

If the Sovereign class is still in active use, then why was the Enterprise-E decomissioned?
It had a lifespan of all about 10 years or so.

Because they felt some need to show the Odyssey class Ent-F from STO. The reason why the Ent-E isn’t in service anymore was irrelevant to them.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

The Enterprise-A also had an incredibly short lifespan before being replaced by the Enterprise-B. I always have to remind myself that Star Trek 6 and the beginning of 'Generations' take place in the same year.

 

[Deks]

Because they felt some need to show the Odyssey class Ent-F from STO. The reason why the Ent-E isn’t in service anymore was irrelevant to them.

And the fundamental reason behind having to cater to ST:Online was... ?
Couldn't they just introduce the Enterprise-E as a ship currently in service and under someone elses' command... while also showcasing the Odyssey class as a differently named ship that entered service at say Frontier Day?

The Enterprise-A also had an incredibly short lifespan before being replaced by the Enterprise-B. I always have to remind myself that Star Trek 6 and the beginning of 'Generations' take place in the same year.

Do they?
Huh... I thought there was at least a year of differential between the ENT-A and B.
But again, didn't make too much sense.
The ENT-A could have still went on to serve because it was for all intense and purposes a brand new ship (or renamed and refitted Constitution class under a different name)... and passed down to another captain and crew.

I think it may have had more to do with the premise that SF was mad at Kirk and his crew for disobeying as many orders and just decided to retire the ENT-A out of spite and then replaced it with the B - or SF decided to retire the Constitution class entirely (at least for the time being until they decided to make the Constituion II etc... so pre-existing Constitution class ships would have been placed on 'hold' essentially, maybe serve as training vessels, until the designs for Connie II were finalized and SF then upgraded them all and put back into active service).

Plus, there was a rather large period of about 20-30 odd years in between the Enterprise-C and D where SF didn't have the Enterprise as the flagship (and its possible another vessel took on this 'honour').

They can be wildly inconsistent with things like these.