PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[Mark_Nguyen]

I was actually looking at the square docking port on the saucer. Ugh, the forethouoght they put into this design makes me hate / love it even more.

I suppose next week we'll see if they do the phasers right. Or wrong. Or both.

Mark

 

[Shik]

You mean how this thing weirdly has both TNG strip phasers AND TMP bubble-point phasers?

 

[blssdwlf]

A new comparison using newer information. When the Titan left Earth the round docking port's inner dark circle looked like it was inset for the door which is what I used to scale from in my first comparison image.

However when watching the episode again I found a scene that had lighting from an angle and I can see that the inset is right at the red markings like the TMP Enterprise. So here is a new comparison with the docking ports used as reference. The Titan now looks much closer in size to the TMP Enterprise...

 

[fireproof78]

I was actually looking at the square docking port on the saucer. Ugh, the forethouoght they put into this design makes me hate / love it even more.

I suppose next week we'll see if they do the phasers right. Or wrong. Or both.

Mark

Why not both?

 

[Macintosh]

You mean how this thing weirdly has both TNG strip phasers AND TMP bubble-point phasers?

A generous interpretation of this might be that it has conventional phaser arrays and the sort of burst-style phaser cannons the Defiant had. I suppose we'll have to wait for next week to find out for sure.

 

[Tomalak]

Possibly the turrets pack a greater punch, but the strips provide coverage and tracking for fast-moving ships.

 

[Ronald Held]

Titan-A is ~400 m?

 

[Macintosh]

Titan-A is ~400 m?

560m according to Dave Blass.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

We’ll never know the truth unless a character gets out a tape measure, which hasn’t happened in 57 years of the franchise. I still feel that 500 crew is a lot for something that MIGHT be the size neighborhood of a Constitution II, but who may ever know…

Mark

 

[Shik]

A generous interpretation of this might be that it has conventional phaser arrays and the sort of burst-style phaser cannons the Defiant had. I suppose we'll have to wait for next week to find out for sure.

Possibly the turrets pack a greater punch, but the strips provide coverage and tracking for fast-moving ships.

Both of these are dumb ideas, but the fact that they're needed is because of an even dumber (& lazier) idea, so absolved by default

We’ll never know the truth unless a character gets out a tape measure, which hasn’t happened in 57 years of the franchise. I still feel that 500 crew is a lot for something that MIGHT be the size neighborhood of a Constitution II, but who may ever know…

Mark

500 was the BTS-stated crew complement of the Connie refit, so it's not impossible, it's just weird by TNG-era standards. Of course, those standards have been flushed so long ago, they've gone through the treatment plant thousands of times by now, so....

 

[blssdwlf]

In TMP, the Enterprise still had a crew of around ~430 but it looked like it could've held more crew with smaller cabins.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

The TMP Enterprise had a 500 crew count only in ancillary media but I concur it was based on official stuff. The only dialogue reference was 300 for the crew of the Enterprise-A in TUC.

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

I don't believe it is on the TMP theatrical version but on the Director's Edition we do hear this intercom dialogue:
"Crew status is one seven two at duty stations, two four eight off-duty, eleven in sickbay, all minor"
That totals 431. At that time, Ilia was already converted to a probe by V'ger but Decker was still present. At the end of the movie the number is 430 with Decker gone.

The dialogue in TUC was "We have a crew of three hundred turning their own quarters inside out..." which might just mean those off-duty but it could be interpreted as a smaller crew....

 

[Tomalak]

If you go by the 11,000 dead on 39 ships at Wolf 359, average crew complement was around 300. But that's including large Ambassador and Nebula class ships among the much smaller ones.

 

[NCC-73515]

From Doug Drexler:

 

[C.E. Evans]

Still using a warp governor. The Eleos may indeed be a civilian market design rather than a second-hand auxiliary Starfleet vessel (that was one idea I saw about her anyway).

 

[jackoverfull]

Chilling panels?!

 

[Tosk]

Hospital Ship? More like Clinic Ship, amirite?

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

“Flux chillers” were mentioned on the Enterprise in TMP and TWOK. To keep them capacitors cold and not sending them through time more than expected - they are generally moving faster than 88mph, after all.

A “warp governor“ is an intentional throwback to the NX design that clearly inspired the Eleos, but does that mean that later / all Federation starships don’t have one somewhere internally? Perhaps one needs to be placed about mid-nacelle lengthwise, and this happened to e the best place to put it on this design? Or maybe some designs are big enough to place them in the nacelles?

Mark

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Heh, the Eleos has a graphic of the PIC Stargazer bridge set through the second deck windows. I guess that’s where the bridge is actually placed, if the two access doors lead down from a higher deck.

Mark