Phase II George Takei Episode
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I concur, it is a beautifully out together fan film, and I hope George will do another some point down the road. Anything involving him has my vote.
Agreed here, too. Some very nice scenes between Older Sulu and his daughter (and his other daughter), and Young Sulu did well, too! And Grace Lee Whitney looking more comfortable than she did in "Flashback".
I finally found the time to give "Come What May", "In Harm's Way", "To Serve All My Days" and "World Enough and Time" a proper screening, having only seen random snatches of each before. I was very pleased with all of them.
I'd seen some scathing reviews of "Come What May" (esp. Kirk's hair, and some of the acting), but it was fine, especially for a pilot! How cool to see John Winston again, probably the first time I've seen him act since ST II.
I finally found the time to give "Come What May", "In Harm's Way", "To Serve All My Days" and "World Enough and Time" a proper screening, having only seen random snatches of each before. I was very pleased with all of them.
I'd seen some scathing reviews of "Come What May" (esp. Kirk's hair, and some of the acting), but it was fine, especially for a pilot! How cool to see John Winston again, probably the first time I've seen him act since ST II.
This is one of my favorite Trek fan films.
I think Maurice did a good job of deconstructing Micheal Reeves story idea which to me is the most important part - it's got to hold water. We all know there's a 'Inner Light' story in there. 'Blood and Fire' sounds like a good story but it doesn't sound very well conceived, from what I've heard, as in Kirk is not decisive and a man of action and so forth. There's a good story there too. So it's all in the delivery and handling of the elements of the plot. As in Kirk finds out his lost love has a Denebian slime devil and must be killed in order to stop the infestation before it's spreads to neighboring worlds, etc..
Then watch the damned thing. David Gerrold has "conceived" and reconceived this script several times now. It was originally a TNG script, with a very strong role for Bev Crusher overruling her captain, but the producers of TNG decided to bury it. Then it was a novel in his "Star Wolf" science fiction novel saga, which has a set of characters quite reminiscent of TNG, but without the 24th century Starfleet perfection.
So now it's been reconceived for TOS. A good story is a good story.
Why can't he bring Star Wolfe to the small or big screen - CBS even or whereever? It sounds great. I'm googling it now and will watch B and F as soon as I get headphones for my computer. The teaser was a nerdgasm but totally devoid of content fan wank. Plus I preferred not to see a prolonged scene of two guys kissing each other, but I've always liked Gerrold. He brought us 'land of the Lost'. Did he create Chtullu too or was it 'The War against the Chtorr' ? - another thing I would see in a minute regardless of what it's about. Googling that too.
Well, he tried.
http://www.well.com/~sjroby/lcars/starwolf/index.html
"After leaving The Next Generation, he was hired to create a new science fiction TV series. Drawing on Yesterday's Children for inspiration, he decided to use Jonathan Korie as the main character in a series of stories that would basically be World War II in space. At one point Gerrold wanted to begin the pilot episode with an introduction set aboard a nice, big, clean starship called the Endeavor as it headed for a rendezvous with another ship. Twenty minutes into the show the Endeavor would explode and the small, dingy Star Wolf would show up for the rendezvous, and the viewer would discover that the Star Wolf was actually the show's setting. It was a bait and switch to show that this was definitely not going to be a Star Trek retread. It's ironic, then, that the Star Wolf books have had so many connections to Star Trek."
I'm not going to lie. I loved Yesterday's Children and his sensabilities but it is too much like Star Trek. Though who doesn't love the names Star Wolf commanded by Jonathan Korie. It sounds like somthing Serling would write. When you get down to it, Trek is very similar to TZ and Outer Limits and One Step Beyond and even dare I say it, Fringe, except without the nifty space ship, which the real star of the show, but how was he gonna have an expensive new bridge set and use it for only one scene? I guess it would be reused as other ships of the line that they meet if the Star Wolf was not that shnazzy.
Which makes me wonder how much of Treks premise concept is copyrightable as RH Wolfe (ironic) is coming out with his own space show on the sci-fi channel that seems awefully like 'Andromeda' which was very similar to Trek so what constitutes infringement eludes me.
Which makes me wonder how much of Treks premise concept is copyrightable as RH Wolfe (ironic) is coming out with his own space show on the sci-fi channel that seems awefully like 'Andromeda' which was very similar to Trek so what constitutes infringement eludes me.
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None of Star Trek's premise could be copyrighted - none of it was original.
Specific designs, names etc. associated with it can (and have) been trademarked.
Specific designs, names etc. associated with it can (and have) been trademarked.
Sure. His novel "Star Trek: The Galactic Whirlpool".
No surprise, since it is "based on unused material by the late Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry".
Star Trek itself borrowed heavily from lots of SF novels (GR had lots of SF authors consult on his premise, and he invited them to contribute stories and scripts) and B movies, eg "Forbidden Planet".
Just to be clear, since xortex has brought this up on a number of occasions:
You cannot copyright...
A great example of when something is deemed a Copyright violation is The Air Pirates comics parody of Disney, which was deemed copyright infringement because the creators so perfectly duplicated the look-and-feel of Mickey Mouse comics that it was deemed to overstep even the usually safe "fair use" exemption for parody.
You cannot copyright...
- An idea
- A story type or genre
- A name
- A title
- A style
- A story as an entire entity
- Artwork
- A series title
- Character names
- A logo or symbol (think the Superman shield)
But the product has to be something sold in a broad area and not just regionally. The Trademark is designed to protect your brand from competitors from trading on the name of your work, and that Trademark may be limited to a specific field or industry.
Ergo Star Trek doesn't infringe upon Forbidden Planet because while many elements are similar, the specific mix is different enough where the two cannot be confused for one another. The same is true of Star Wolf and Star Trek.
A great example of when something is deemed a Copyright violation is The Air Pirates comics parody of Disney, which was deemed copyright infringement because the creators so perfectly duplicated the look-and-feel of Mickey Mouse comics that it was deemed to overstep even the usually safe "fair use" exemption for parody.
And, Justman says he told Gene that he should hire Haskin, and on his way out of the interview saw Haskin on his way in.
Robinson Crusoe on Mars is a remarkable little film. Well worth watching. Good product on a near fan-film budget. Of course, the portrayal of Mars is dated (how could it not be?), but the story is plausible and Paul Mantee gives an outstanding performance.
Funnily enough, I downloaded Robinson Crusoe on Mars from iTunes a few months ago. I had good memories of it from my youth, and I really enjoyed watching it again, despite the scientific inaccuracies.
Thanks for the tip!
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