I was wondering if the actors are actually gay, if not then that would be much more awkward for them, particularly to have it on camera.
Phase II: Blood and Fire Part 1 Released!! (SPOILERS)
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They could... act. And I think both did very good performances.
Shouldn't matter since straight actors have been playing homosexual characters for a long while. In all the years of Will and Grace, Eric McCormack, who is married with children, never once seemed awkward or uncomfortable in his role on the show. Steven Weber didn't seem awkward or uncomfortable in his role in the movie Jeffery.
The reverse is also true. Neil Patrick Harris never once seems weirded out playing an uber-straight guy on How I Met Your Mother.
Besides, I think that the awkwardness in the scene comes from Peter Kirk having a lot on his mind -- his famous uncle, not being selected for the landing party, and his relationship with Alex -- and not exactly wanting to be intimate in that particular moment. Rather, he wants to talk about what's on his mind and who better to do that with than the man he loves.
And speaking of intimacy and the level of it, the scene does not feel lustful. My girlfriend lies on me in the same way that Alex lies on Peter. The touching, the little kisses, and the glances are all things that any couple, straight or gay, would do. The scene is intimate in a naturalistic manner, including the cheesy manner in which we tend to address our lovers.
The editing of the episode by some viewers has been a source of controversy for the Phase II production. I will repeat something I posted over at Trekmovie.
This amounts to censorship, pure and simple. To vivisect someone's work and showcase it is no better than going to a bookstore, purchasing a literary work then blacking out things that you deem inappropriate and reselling it as an "abridged" copy.
Edit the Peter Kirk/Alex Freeman relationship, in any way, and you cut out the heart of the story. The pathos. If television, film or books don't make us feel, then what's the point?
Why not take James Baldwin's Another Country (one of my favorite novels) and blackout all references to Vivaldo's feelings for Rufus or his eventually encounter with Eric? Or cut out whole chapters, or part thereof, of A Single Man or any of Christopher Isherwood's work.
The crime, even in the privacy of your own home, is the same. If it offends, then turn it off or fast forward through it.
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I just saw Ashton Kutcher kiss Stifler on 'Dude Where's My Car' and while it was disgusting (in my 'phobic opinion) it looked real enough, so I have to go with the 'acting'.
BTW- I LOVE phase II and really enjoyed this last production. Was McCoy a huge dick or was it just me?
BTW- I LOVE phase II and really enjoyed this last production. Was McCoy a huge dick or was it just me?
It does lose energy though, doesn't it?
I don't think it would necessarily lose energy, but it certainly wouldn't gain any. If the ship itself was accelerating, the moment the gases were ejected they would continue to move along due to their momentum, but they would cease to accelerate. If the ship was accelerating fast enough, it might just leave the ejecta behind in a happy little trail. Also, if the gases were venting through those little rings around the Bussard collectors, they may have been forced outward more toward the opposite direction of the ship's motion.
Oh please. Now I know why TNG never filmed this episode (if it was written as shown for Phase II). Trek episodes DO NOT dedicate that much film time to guest stars/lower ranks. The bed scene was overly long and may have been acceptable if it were cut by a fair amount. Okay, we get it, they're in love and they're the same sex. Neither acted like Starfleet Officers while on duty. How many episodes of TNG would have spent 5 minutes on Ensign Hoople from deck 7 making out with a same or opposite sex partner? None. That's the problem, they overkilled it BECAUSE it was same-sex lovers. It's not Star Trek, sorry.
No, movement doesn't take energy when there is zero resistance because motion is relative. Changing speed takes energy.
Newton's first law: Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.
Ever seen Lower Decks? Same concept, the regular crew as seen from the extras' perspective. And they did it even more than here.
As far as downloading the episodes, I’ve downloaded, and burned to DVD, every episode of New Voyages as they’ve come out with no problem. The same for “Of Gods and Men”. It’s impossible to stop someone from getting a copy of a video posted to the Internet. If a download is not possible, a screen capture is.
As for editing, when I have a video, from a download, TV, wherever, I’ll edit it in any way I please.
As for editing, when I have a video, from a download, TV, wherever, I’ll edit it in any way I please.
I can't even begin to describe how offensive I find that remark.
I take it you haven't watched much television in the past decade outside of prime-time American television.
Try staying up past 9 o'clock sometime or watching HBO. That scene was extremely tame; I cannot understand anyone being offended by that. If I let my child watch any television at all I'd have no problem with her seeing that.
I hope that will not be the case. I know part of the reason for doing any fan production is the fun of doing it but also the fun of showing it to others. I am sure the people at Phase 2 could show just at conventions but it would greatly decrease their visibility to the Star Trek community at large. If they are going to produce things they want seen, that they feel support socially responsible behavior then I think they would want them widely accessible or it defeats their purpose of doing it.
If they limit access to their production they run the risk of becoming irrelavant to a large part of the Trek fan community. That I hope will not happen.
No.
It would expand continuously in a near spherical pattern.
Making it the color of burning fuel enhanced the impression
of a WWII bomber on fire. That familiarity no doubt helped
increase the drama of the scene for those viewers who are
less pre-occupied with realism.
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FF
Then this discussion may be of interest:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc...1dc4a452?hl=en&q=fredfighter#eb793e43e359be92
Or not.
Actually, you can take it that I DON'T watch television.
I've got better things to do than to pickle myself in front of a TV a few hours a night. Besides, I live a 24 hour life... I'm not going to try to remember that some show is on at some time each week and arrange my life around it.
My advice to both you and your child is to find better things to do with the hours you are wasting on TV. As you have pointed out, it has already made you an indiscriminate viewer.
But at least I now know there are people like you around that require all that extra interaction to understand that a deep felt relationship existed between characters. And seeing as you required that, I'm guessing that you may have missed the fact that Captain Kirk and Peter Kirk are related (as we weren't given nearly as much over the top interaction between them to solidify that relationship... and you most likely would have needed another 4 or 5 minutes of interaction to get it).
But as I said before, I doubt that this is happening strictly because of the orientation of the characters, and I'm sure that in future Phase II episodes we'll finally see Captain Kirk doing all the things that people assumed he did (but was never shown doing) in TOS.
Not that you would have assumed he did such things... the hints were rather subtle by your standards.
James has already said all future releases will be streaming only, for exactly the reasons stated.
I discussed your post with David Gerrold and he asked me to post this on his behalf:
I think it's worth pointing out that this is NOT THE SCRIPT WRITTEN FOR TNG. In that scriopt, there were only four lines of dialog to hint that the two crewmembers were lovers. Four lines of dialog, nothing more.
When Carlos Pedraza adapted the script for Phase II, the relationship scenes were specifically expanded because Phase II is making Peter Kirk a continuing character. It is not uncommon for a TV series to spend some extra time with a new character when introducing him.
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Again, my comment wasn't about the homosexual aspects of the relationship... it was the fact that it would have been extreme even as a heterosexual encounter.
But if this is the standard for the type of gratuitous sexual interaction for Phase II, then I'm sure that we'll be seeing the same type of thing between heterosexual couples in the next few episodes (seeing as we haven't seen this extent in the previous productions by New Voyages/Phase II thus far).
Unless there is some explicit reason to be showing this type of thing only for homosexual relationships. I'm sure there isn't, so I'm sure we can look forward to similar heterosexual types of encounters (and I'll be cringing at those too).
Mr. Gerrold had this to say about the scene. He has authorized me to reprint it here:
After 40 some-odd years of Trek portraying heterosexual relationships at length, in all possible situations, and in a variety of positions and couplings, across more species and races and sentient beings than I can possibly list here, I think that it is not overdoing it to spend four minutes with a couple of men in love.
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