^Wavicles is an actual term. See: http://www.cosmiclight.com/ofquasarsandquanta/wavicles.htm
http://mypage.direct.ca/c/christie/Wavicle.html
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Phase II: Blood and Fire Part 1 Released!! (SPOILERS)
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I think the term "wavicle" was coined by De Broglie decades ago. Certainly Isaac Asimov and Carl Sagan have used the term for decades. I guess you haven't heard it--but it is kind of a funny word. But we'll not let Asimov or Sagan make up Treknobabble for us anymore.
Our Spock, Ben Tolpin, was a last minute replacement for our previous Spock--Jeff Quinn. When Jeff became unavailable a couple of days before the shoot, we were luck to get professional actor Ben Tolpin. Unfortunately, the ears we had were alrady molded to Jeff's ears. We had to try to make them fit Ben. They didn't always look perfect. I apologize. In the meantime, we have had new ear molds made of our new Spock, so future episodes should look better.
Our acting is improving.
Television is a visual medium. Showing affection between two people is generally preferable to having a line of dialog like "We are romantically involved." It was important to show these two people in love.
Thanks for your input. We value it.
Greg Schnitzer
Star Trek Phase II
It is so amazing to me how James and his crew love Trek so much that they put so much blood, sweat and tears into producing this series simply for their own gratification and our enjoyment. I consider myself a big Trek fan, but you guys are beyond the pale. I've enjoyed the hell out of all your productions, and look forward to all you may do. As for this episode, it was great. I consider myself the most liberal and open minded native NYCer going, and I must admit I squirmed a little at the gay romantic scene. It really made me re-examine my feelings and possible predjudices, and this is what art (and Trek!) should do. (And I have been to gay bars in Manhattan and on the Island). And the blood worms - damn, that was good horror movie stuff! Definetly illicited a viceral reaction, and was effective. All in all, a good show, and I await eagerly for the second part. And to James and the whole company - I really hope that you guys benefit in some way other than the personnal gratification you get for putting such effort into providing enjoyment to me and so many other Trek fans. And as always, if you get down to the big city, hit me up, and the drinks are on me.
I think you'll find "wavicles" is a real term.
Rather than go into other issues that have already been addressed earlier, I'd like to say something about the battle at the beginning. I'm bothered somewhat by the behavior of the nacelle "fire" and the saucer damage. I realize that most people have an earthbound perspective (that's why the Enterprise orbits planets with it's starboard side down to preserve the appearance of up and down), but having the engine act like a WW II bomber engine on fire bugged me. There's no atmosphere to push the "flames" and debris backwards.
If the ship's moving forward under power, wouldn't shed debris and gases trail back due to inertia?
So you're saying that that 4 minute scene couldn't have been done in a less voyeuristic fashion? That was more than we ever saw in TOS between couples of the opposite sex... unless you are telling us that this type of thing between male and female characters is something that you guys have already filmed in future episodes.
Frankly, the nearly the first minute and the last minute of the scene were gratuitous. The middle two or so minutes would have been enough to get the audience to understand the relationship. The fact that the two characters are committed enough to get married should have been enough (it was for Angela Martine and Robert Tomlinson in Balance of Terror).
The question you guys should have been asking yourselves is whether you want to portray lust or affection. In romance (no matter the gender of the couple), less is more.
But other than my old fashion sensibilities on the portrayal of relationships in Trek, you guys did a great job in my opinion. Keep up the good work!
I think they wanted the kissing scene to be controversial. That is why they are on the bed and not standing up. I think any one would be able to see the couple as affectionate from other scenes in the episode. They wanted to push the envelope.
For a fan production I think the acting was good. Not like any of them are getting paid for this.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Sometimes pushing the envelope is not a good idea, it can end up with a franchise to lose their audience never to return..a fine line to tread..some risks are not worth taking.
I agree, they could have removed the scene and still got their message across and to a wider audience with the use of a little subtleness. But I know I could never produce a fan production of this quality, so I am not sure my first impulse would be the best.
Still waiting for that massive backlash you keep predicting. I'm sure you'll call when it happens.
Then again, since network television has been doing far more explicit stuff for years now, with little appreciable backlash, I don't think anyone's going to hold their breath waiting for that call. No doubt the odd (and I do mean odd) extremist homophobic nut will declare his intention to boycott, but going by the evidence to date, such instances are both odd and extremely limited. And even if they weren't, so what? Phase II is non-profit, and has no need to worry about ratings, so big frickin' deal.
Oh, and just because you keep missing this distinction, I'll point out to you one more time; Phase II does not equal "the franchise."
Again, my comment wasn't about the homosexual aspects of the relationship... it was the fact that it would have been extreme even as a heterosexual encounter.
But if this is the standard for the type of gratuitous sexual interaction for Phase II, then I'm sure that we'll be seeing the same type of thing between heterosexual couples in the next few episodes (seeing as we haven't seen this extent in the previous productions by New Voyages/Phase II thus far).
Unless there is some explicit reason to be showing this type of thing only for homosexual relationships. I'm sure there isn't, so I'm sure we can look forward to similar heterosexual types of encounters (and I'll be cringing at those too).
But if this is the standard for the type of gratuitous sexual interaction for Phase II, then I'm sure that we'll be seeing the same type of thing between heterosexual couples in the next few episodes (seeing as we haven't seen this extent in the previous productions by New Voyages/Phase II thus far).
Unless there is some explicit reason to be showing this type of thing only for homosexual relationships. I'm sure there isn't, so I'm sure we can look forward to similar heterosexual types of encounters (and I'll be cringing at those too).
I don't think anyone has a problem with anything you said.
Yes, less is more and that scene seems to portray lust much more than affection. I agree that it would have been much more effective if there was less of it. So much so, that in the copies of the DVDs I made, for friends and myself, I edited the scene down to a better length first.
I would disagree. If that's what qualifies as lust, you have an odd definition of it.
Ignoring the ethical issues inherent in that action, I just wanted to say thanks for being one of the kind folks who just guaranteed that Phase II will never make an episode downloadable again (and rightly so). Way to go.
I really don't consider it necessary to play censor for my friends. That seems quite arrogant and presumptuous to me, unless of course they asked you to make sure they never hear or see anything that might offend them...
They did ask you do that, right?
I hope people will be able to see the production as is and then they can decide if they want to watch any more. It is an impressive fan film, I can see how some may not like every bit of it. I my self did not care for the kissing scene and it did seem to drag but it is what they wanted and they sure put a lot of work in to the film. I don't think it is any more heavy handed than an episode like "Let that Be Your Last Battlefield", except with sexual orientation as the issue.
Actually, no, the smoke/debris is moving at the same speed as the ship when it's ejected, and there's no medium like air to cancel its momentum. So all debris should form a cloud around the ship and continue on in the same vector and velocity as when it was ejected. When the ship maneuvers, of course, it will maneuver out of its own debris cloud, which will continue on its own merry way. And if the ship then continues on another straight course, another cloud will form around it. If the ship does some fancy maneuvering, it'll just be spraying debris all over the damn place.
You know, weird thing, but it is possible to be both affectionate and physically lustful towards someone. Realistic love, especially between people of those characters ages, would be physical to that level. So why not show it? I didn't see any gratuitous nudity or porn, all we had were two people on top of each other, and a kiss.
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