As long as they were paid it didn't matter.
Phantom Menace questions
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I wonder how they were treated in the Empire...
They might not have been in on the plan, but they probably had instructions that the Jedi (nor the Clones) were not to know of the inhibitor chips. That might be from their contract, or just that it was proprietor from the cloners and they didn't want that stuff out there (might hurt the market). Sources differ on if the Senate and Jedi were aware of the Clone's contingency orders or not (including Order 66). I think originally they were suppose to be aware of them ,but since it was one of like 150 orders, they paid it no mind. But after the shift from the Clones being completely obedient (no questions asked) to being more human in The Clone Wars, and the introduction of the inhibitor chips, its unclear if their 150 orders were general knowledge, or at least known to the high ranking members of the Senate, Military, and Jedi. And if the Clones know of the orders themselves at all. Rather than it being something hard coded into them that they only were moderately aware of in dreams.
Eventually the Empire stopped using clones. But they did decide to get their money's worth. The clones that had been started by the time the war ended were continued until they matured and where added to the Stormtrooper Corps. But no new batches were ordered after the war, so by nine or ten years after the end of the Clone Wars, the facilities were shut down by the Empire. By 19 years after the Clone Wars (the Battle of Yavin) any remaining Clone Troopers would look like they were physically in their late 30 (last batches) to early-mid 60s (first batches).
Not well. Largely because they would be viewed as a threat.
At least one of the doctors seemed to be in Clone Wars.
Well the cloning facilities were shut down a year after ROTS, but that's all we know so far in canon.
In legends the clone facilities were shut down 6 years after ROTS when a group of rogue Kaminoans clone their own small army to try and fight the empire. The Empire kicked their buts obviously.
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They were in on the ultimate plan. A four episode story arc on Clone Wars made this very clear. For that matter, it was part of this arc the aforementioned Syfo-Dyas episode was in with.
I think it's closer to the truth that *some* of them were in on *some* of the ultimate plan. Pretty sure absolutely *nobody* other than Palpatine knew what the "ultimate" plan actually was.
The Impression I got from TCW was that Kaminoans were operating under their client's instructions; Syfo-Dyas (or so they thought) with Tyranus as his proxy. Said instructions being to implant the clones with the control chips as a safeguard against the Jedi turning the army against the Republic, and to that end; make sure it remains covert.
I think there was a line in there somewhere where a Kaminoan (the Prime Minister I think?) expressed a degree of perplexedness regarding religious groups like the Jedi. The Kaminoans are decidedly not religious or in anyway into mysticism. They're rationalists. Scientists. They may fill ordered placed by the Jedi or Sith but that doesn't mean they understand or care what either of them is about, or what their relationship to each other is.
So I don't see them as knowingly complicit with Sidious; they're just fulfilling a contract. A very VERY well paying contract with strict confidentiality clauses.
As for what happened to them after the Clone War; I guess we'll see to some extent in 'The Bad Batch', but I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of an Imperial occupation and repurposing the gene farms for the Empire's purposes. Things like the crops in the 'Ahsoka' novel that are meant to be processed for trooper rations, but utterly ruin the biosphere of whatever planet they're grown on, bioweapons that'll allow them to clear planets of uncooperative natives, and maybe a secret division tasked with m-count cloning R&D for a certain Sith Lord's contingency planning...
The whole premise of Order 66, though, was that the Jedi staged a coup and tried to overthrow Palpatine, the Senate and the Republic. If Mace Windu didn't lead the Jedi to confront Palpatine and Palpatine didn't melt his own face, then Palps would have a hell of a time trying to explain to the Senate why he had the Jedi killedI think that if Anakin didn't turn Mace would have killed Sidious. Or if by soms reason Sidious knew that Anakin wouldn't turn, Mace, his posse and Anakin would still be in the temple when the Clones attacked. Then I will pitty the first waves of Clones
All Palpatine would have to do is show one Jedi attacking Republic troops or plotting a coup. In Legends Palpatine was already using manipulated recordings to frame the Jedi with the attack itself. Trust in the Jedi was already low, so declaring them traitors, especially from Palpatine, who was considered more trustworthy, would be a rather small matter. As the old saying goes, "Show me the man and I'll find you the crime."
Do you think Naboo in TPM should have been Alderaan? That is kind of more what you would expect, given their similarities, especially them both having (pretty much) no weapons and that, if you watched the films I-VI it being the first big planet you see and saved in I and then it being destroyed in IV would be even more momentous and transitional.
Thinking a bit more about it, the reason Alderaan wasn't used was probably that, given its destruction in ANH, even Palpatine wouldn't have really liked his home planet being destroyed.
Thinking a bit more about it, the reason Alderaan wasn't used was probably that, given its destruction in ANH, even Palpatine wouldn't have really liked his home planet being destroyed.
Palpatine didn't care about Naboo that much
Also, uh
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Operation:_Cinder#Target:_Naboo
Yes.
I would think Leia coming from Alderaan legitimately through Padme having been Queen of the place in her youth might have been too much of a clue even for the likes of Darth Vader. Even if one nods at Luke being from Tatooine, like Anakin was, it tracks in that Vader doesn't want to go there as their are too many painful memories there. If the original concept of Padme having survived childbirth and gone into hiding with Leia had happened, having them hide out on Alderaan, of Padme had been Queen of Alderaan in TPM would have been way too much. And as teenaged Princess /Senator Leia becomes a public figure, even someone like Vader's gonna notice. But with Padme being from Naboo, and buried there, it throws the track off for the likes of Vader.
He has no clue he had a daughter until his last day. He hadn't even considered it. But if this young firebrand Senator had been from the same planet as Padme, Vader would take notice of her and mentally be reminded of Padme...and that's dangerous. Because there would be that chance of finding two and three and making five with the realization that this teenager is about the age his child would have been, and that she's from the same world as his wife, and she's in the same occupation as his late wife.....and she has some surprisingly familiar droids.......
He has no clue he had a daughter until his last day. He hadn't even considered it. But if this young firebrand Senator had been from the same planet as Padme, Vader would take notice of her and mentally be reminded of Padme...and that's dangerous. Because there would be that chance of finding two and three and making five with the realization that this teenager is about the age his child would have been, and that she's from the same world as his wife, and she's in the same occupation as his late wife.....and she has some surprisingly familiar droids.......
Not really relevant, but this thread is talking about TPM.
Apparently the idea of C-3PO being built/reassembled by kid dates back to the 70s. Now it wasn't Vader/Anakin that did it as that wasn't a thing yet, but it was part of George's original backstory for the Droid. This isn't just some George revisionism he talked about decades later, it's on record from the 70s.
Apparently the idea of C-3PO being built/reassembled by kid dates back to the 70s. Now it wasn't Vader/Anakin that did it as that wasn't a thing yet, but it was part of George's original backstory for the Droid. This isn't just some George revisionism he talked about decades later, it's on record from the 70s.
While that is a fair point, I think that slight changes in the PT story could have made it work. As it stands, the loss of Alderaan in ANH rings more hollow than it could potentially have done. Especially when you have a whole trilogy to expand upon planets not explored. Perhaps not Naboo, but have Alderaan show up as a part of the PT story in more than just a passing way would have given more weight.
I think that Vader still would not have put two and two together even if Leia was from the same planet as Padme. I think that assumes that Vader would be willing to engage in thoughts about his dead wife, which he clearly would want to avoid. Same with Tatooine, same with Naboo.
I'm actually quite happy they went with Naboo.
I would have enjoyed to have seen more of Alderaan before its destruction, which was barely featured. I would have liked to have seen young Leia playing as she depicted in a certain novel (spoilers). It's a fault that we barely saw Leia's home planet, and I still hope that gets remedied with one of the gazillion shows in production.
That said, I prefer exploring more new planets. I liked how Rogue One barely visited any known ones. Naboo is also the first Star Wars planet I ever saw, and I'm quite fond of it for that reason. And the name evokes quite a different feeling I associate with TPM, and quite different to Alderaan. And in addition to what Ithekro said, Alderaan is Leia's home, there is no need to have made it her mother's home too.
I would have enjoyed to have seen more of Alderaan before its destruction, which was barely featured. I would have liked to have seen young Leia playing as she depicted in a certain novel (spoilers). It's a fault that we barely saw Leia's home planet, and I still hope that gets remedied with one of the gazillion shows in production.
That said, I prefer exploring more new planets. I liked how Rogue One barely visited any known ones. Naboo is also the first Star Wars planet I ever saw, and I'm quite fond of it for that reason. And the name evokes quite a different feeling I associate with TPM, and quite different to Alderaan. And in addition to what Ithekro said, Alderaan is Leia's home, there is no need to have made it her mother's home too.
Naboo is absolutely gorgeous, one of the stand out planets of the prequels and I am always grateful that it happened.
But, the lack of connection to Alderaan is a sticking point for me that the prequels largely ignore. There's no weight, nor a personal connection to add to the loss. Carrie Fisher is right that it is difficult to act out that part, so why not give it greater weight by showing Alderaan as a major part of the galaxy? Bail Organa gets a small amount of featuring, but is that enough? I personally don't think so.
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