I also believe that if Qui-Gon trained Anakin, Anakin wouldn't turn to the dark side, of not as easely
Phantom Menace questions
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That's a good point, Qui-Gon did seem to like Shmi, so I could see him being willing to either go back for her or depending on how things played out, helping Anakin rescue her.
In the Phantom Menace, it seemed like Obi-wan was the one to sense thing were off before Qui-Gon did. But that might have been due to Qui-Gon's Living Force views and being in the now, while Obi-wan was looking to the future a bit. The lesson might have stuck, which is why Obi-wan wasn't mindful of Anakin's visions. But that does question of if Qui-Gon will have gone with Anakin's visions, or tried to get the young Jedi to focus on the now, and not the future. Could his training have prevented Anakin from having or at least following his visions? His mother might have still died, but he might not have found out about it, or be more centered to not act on that knowledge (this actions of vengeance was a leap towards the Dark Side). Anakin also might has been less brash...though Obi-wan was brash at that age as well it seems. The thing is, if Anakin was less likely to follow his visions by the time Padme was pregnant, he might not have even gotten the self-fulfilling vision at all. That is, if you can stop a Skywalker from following their visions.
The real benefit of Qui-Gon being around is the likelihood that he could be the roll that Palpatine had in Anakin's life, and this prevent that part of it from happening when it did. Palpatine might come up with another plan, but instead of using the Chosen One, or betting on the Chosen One, he might have to plan around the Chosen One. Instead of betting he could turn Skywalker to his will, instead plan of eliminating him rather than corrupting him. This may fail horribly for Palpatine....or it could just set his plans back another five or ten years. If he can't have one Skywalker...why not cultivate another one? One can assume Anakin's going to eventually produce offspring (for story purposes), and the Chancellor/Emperor (depending on how he manages to stay in power), goes after the Luke/Leia generation. Palpatine might not even remain in power, but go back to the shadows as a respected elder stateman, still pulling the strings the Sith have put in place...waiting for another opportunity. Grooming a way to be recalled to lead the people as he once did, only to bring the darkness with him....and his new Skywalker apprentice...forcing the Chosen One....the new Darth's father, to chose. (Basically what he did with Luke and Vader and later with Ben Solo...just with the kindly old man façade still being intact)
The real benefit of Qui-Gon being around is the likelihood that he could be the roll that Palpatine had in Anakin's life, and this prevent that part of it from happening when it did. Palpatine might come up with another plan, but instead of using the Chosen One, or betting on the Chosen One, he might have to plan around the Chosen One. Instead of betting he could turn Skywalker to his will, instead plan of eliminating him rather than corrupting him. This may fail horribly for Palpatine....or it could just set his plans back another five or ten years. If he can't have one Skywalker...why not cultivate another one? One can assume Anakin's going to eventually produce offspring (for story purposes), and the Chancellor/Emperor (depending on how he manages to stay in power), goes after the Luke/Leia generation. Palpatine might not even remain in power, but go back to the shadows as a respected elder stateman, still pulling the strings the Sith have put in place...waiting for another opportunity. Grooming a way to be recalled to lead the people as he once did, only to bring the darkness with him....and his new Skywalker apprentice...forcing the Chosen One....the new Darth's father, to chose. (Basically what he did with Luke and Vader and later with Ben Solo...just with the kindly old man façade still being intact)
Qui-gon also puts a lot of stock in the Chosen One.
I have a question that bugged me since I saw that movie; why are people on Naboo dying? It looked like they capitulated without a fight, so what the hell is the Trade League doing with them?
The result would have been the same, regardless of Anakin's actions.
The clones were compelled to obey Order 66 thanks to the inhibitor chips they all had. It wasn't simply a transmitted order - it was literally built into their genetic code. So whether or not Anakin had fallen to the dark side, the clone troops would still have followed their programmed instructions. Hell, I doubt they were even aware of the existence of Order 66 until they were commanded to execute it.
Even if Anakin hadn't slaughtered all the younglings at the temple...the clones would have gotten to them eventually.
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Putting them in to labor camps and torturing them to make Amidala yield.
Eventually, yes. The whole point of the Clone Wars to whittled down the Jedi Order, depriving them of leadership, scattering them across the galaxy, leaving them struggling to find resources and support. Even if Anakin hadn't fallen, the Jedi were spread thin.
So it is as bad as I thought and we're having concentration camps/gulags and genocide in a movie that contains freaking Jar Jar Binks and in which a good chunk of the runtime (and plot stakes) are given to a shitty video game tye-in where a little boy wins a race.
Christ, TPM is tone deaf
I think its just more sanitized.So it is as bad as I thought and we're having concentration camps/gulags and genocide in a movie that contains freaking Jar Jar Binks and in which a good chunk of the runtime (and plot stakes) are given to a shitty video game tye-in where a little boy wins a race.
Christ, TPM is tone deaf
Erm, no. The game was made because of the movie, not the other way around.
I think Mr. Laser is correct in terms of the hypothetical situation in which Order 66 gets issued but Anakin hasn't fallen. In the context of the movie, if Anakin doesn't fall Order 66 never goes out, because Palpatine is dead. Killed by Mace Windu in his office.
I don't think that's what they meant in their comment. More that the podrace was basically a big video game sequence in the middle of a tense war situation for the Naboo.
Apologies, @Orphalesion if I got it wrong at all.
Some of my favorite fan fictions are based on such a premise. But, I still see Palpatine attempting to issue the order. A final push to be rid of Anakin and Mace and try to end the Jedi.
While most of the Jedi involved in the Outer Rim Sieges will still be killed by their Clone Troopers, the Jedi Temple may hold out longer without Darth Vader leading the attack. One they won't have direct access to the temple. Two, they won't have a skilled swordsman to engage the few able Jedi Masters and Temple Guards that defend the place (Anakin took care of most of them). They would probably be able to send out a warning to survivors (much like Obi-wan and Yoda did later). If the Clones are held off longer, Palpatine will have a siege on his hands at the Temple, and have to explain this to the people of the Republic. Though he can easily spin it his way, if Windu's force still tried and failed to take him.
If Anakin is still alive and not present, he might be able to turn the tide in the Jedi's favor on his return. If he's inside the temple when the Clones come, there are going to be a lot of dead clones, and either a prolonged siege, or Anakin will lead a counter attack, either to get Palpatine, or to gain the Jedi a ship and escape with the surviving Jedi to regroup with Obi-wan and Yoda. If Anakin is dead....well, The Jedi at the temple might hold out long enough for Obi-wan and Yoda to return, and they can make either an attempt of Palpatine, or see if they can rally the Senate to their cause.
If Anakin is still alive and not present, he might be able to turn the tide in the Jedi's favor on his return. If he's inside the temple when the Clones come, there are going to be a lot of dead clones, and either a prolonged siege, or Anakin will lead a counter attack, either to get Palpatine, or to gain the Jedi a ship and escape with the surviving Jedi to regroup with Obi-wan and Yoda. If Anakin is dead....well, The Jedi at the temple might hold out long enough for Obi-wan and Yoda to return, and they can make either an attempt of Palpatine, or see if they can rally the Senate to their cause.
No you got it right, though I still think there was a plan to make it a video game from the beginning as well. After all the same had happened with the rebel attack on the Death Star.
I think that if Anakin didn't turn Mace would have killed Sidious. Or if by soms reason Sidious knew that Anakin wouldn't turn, Mace, his posse and Anakin would still be in the temple when the Clones attacked. Then I will pitty the first waves of Clones 
Another odd ponderance. What if Padme doesn't die in childbirth? She's not one to just sit back and do nothing (Luke and Leia didn't get everything from just Anakin after all)/ What role would she play in the early days of the Galactic Empire? Would she remain a Senator (unlikely given her face as the head of the movement to get Palpatine to relinquish his emergency powers)? Would she lead the rebellion against Palpatine instead of Mon Mothma and Bail Organa?
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Interesting question. I think she will have a big role in the rebellion. But what will Darth Vader do? Knowing that his wife lives. And I think It will be a big problem for Sidious
Padmé would certainly have played a significant role in the rebellion had she lived.
I don't know if she would have led the rebellion (she definitely struck me as a boots-on-the-ground type, rather than a true politician) but nevertheless she would have been front and center in the Rebel Alliance.
I don't know if she would have led the rebellion (she definitely struck me as a boots-on-the-ground type, rather than a true politician) but nevertheless she would have been front and center in the Rebel Alliance.
Sidious would be trying to kill Padme at all costs.
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