To be fair, Vader from ANH is like 20 years older than Anakin was in ROTS. His personality could very easily change in that time, especially since he was being trained to be a Sith Lord.
Phantom Menace is the best Prequel.
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If youre incredibly stupid, arrogant, naive and bitchy in your 20s, chances are youre going to be that way in your 40s. Its not just a small change in personality, its a total change, which even extends to his intelligence and ability to be articulate. Im struggling to think of even one similiarity between Vader and Anakin.
That would be the guys from this video I believe.
I always thought they were governors of some sort that had reasons to be talking with Palpatine.
One question that needs to be begged is, if Palpatine and Vader are both Sith, why do the Imperials in the first film tell Vader he is the last of their kind? Do they not know the Emperor is a Sith yet?
Oh there's plenty - Aliens, Predator but thats a avenue came into it's own later. They know the genre is one has it's share of obsessive collectors. Many of whom no doubt started as kids with Star Wars.
Out of curiosity, I just flipped through my ancient ROTJ novel (illustrated edition, 1st press) to the scene where I think this takes place...it's when Vader comes up to the throne room and the Emperor tells him to "move the fleet to the far side of Endor..." etc. Anyway, there's no mention of the people with him, but there is a passage that caught my eye. It describes how the Republic became corrupt over time, the leaders fighting each other; that's when Senator Palpatine took the opportunity to work himself into a position of authority, by playing the corruption already rampant, the downfall already in progress. The PT really didn't convey that well at all, if it even attempted to.
I checked my even more ancient Star Wars novel (1976, first edition) and in the prologue it says the same thing, that Palpatine took over a crumbling Republic...no mention that he was a Sith. Further it says the Jedi were exterminated "through treachery and deception". Even if "order 66" could be interpreted as such, the way it was handled in the film was just so simplistic.
I think there are certain circumstances, like getting your limbs chopped off, being set on fire, having all of your friends betray you (from your point of view), being adopted by an evil dictator, and being forced to wear a robot suit for the rest of your life, that might have some pretty strong influences on your personality.
that can't be the case. That would suggest that rather than Lucas having the entire saga mapped out in intricate detail from the mid-'70s, he was instead just making it up as he went along.
Can't be
The creepy guy in the throne room is most likely Sate Pestage who acted as Palpatine's majordomo.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sate_Pestage
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sate_Pestage
Does Palpatine have any reason to advertise it? Those in the inner circle might know, but it's not like he announces it before the Senate in ROTS or that his duel with Yoda was televised. Even if there isn't a reason to keep it Top Secret in the Empire, he doesn't really have a reason to go around telling subordinates of subordinates. So maybe Tarkin and Vader at the table know... and the guy in the white uniform if he's a Grand Admiral, but no reason that the guy with the sideburns or the other grey uniformed guys would need to know.
And besides, from an in universe perspective from someone in the know, it would still be accurate. Vader would have been the last of the Jedi since the Emperor was never AFAIK trained as a Jedi, which Vader started out as.
Other than fear and intimidation, I can't think of any. It's not as if he could be voted out of office at that point!
Well, I think when the officers were saying Vader is the last of his kind they are talking about all Force users. For example, the one officer in the conference room said Vader had a "sad devotion to an ancient religion". Obviously he didn't consider users of the Force a threat.
No Tarkin is talking about Vader being the last of the Jedi since he betrayed them to the Sith.
I don't think Palpatine and Vader publicly advertise their "Sithiness" to anyone. It is kind of kept as an internal secret society amongst them. The galaxy at large does not know that they are Sith Lords.
Well, fans weathered the OT's ad-hoc progress, first with Vader being Luke's father (and Ben with that "point of view" thing), and the Emperor being a Sith rather than just a really corrupt politician, but ESB was such a great film that it didn't matter. But when Leia suddenly was Luke's sister that really was the beginning of the end; it started to get ridiculous, though I think ROTJ was still a fine movie with enough that was satisfying. The PT...I won't go there.
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The exact line is:
TARKIN: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.
He makes no mention of Vader betraying the Jedi, nor of him even being a former Jedi. It sounds to me like he is saying that Vader is still a Jedi!
I am guessing this was before the whole Jedi/Sith relationship was figured out.
I think he was thinking that all people who use the Force belong to the same group
My interpretation of this line is and always was that Tarkin believed that Vader was the only person still alive who was ever a Jedi. This is the only way to resolve the fact that he says the Jedi "are extinct", which means that no Jedi exist anymore. Saying that Vader is "all that's left" simply means that no one who's more of a Jedi is still alive, and also that no others who ever quit the Jedi order are alive either, as far as Tarkin knows.
I read a post here that seemed to indicate that someone wasn't sure if Dooku knew about Palpatine's true identity. Of course he knew about it.
The word "Sith" is never uttered once in the original trilogy. Then again, Leia is never referred to by her last name, Palpatine is known only as The Emperor, Boba Fett is not referred to by name in ESB (though he is in a deleted scene), etc. But Vader is referred to as "The Dark Lord of the Sith" in the ANH screenplay.
The word "Sith" is never uttered once in the original trilogy. Then again, Leia is never referred to by her last name, Palpatine is known only as The Emperor, Boba Fett is not referred to by name in ESB (though he is in a deleted scene), etc. But Vader is referred to as "The Dark Lord of the Sith" in the ANH screenplay.
How can they be extinct if Vader is still a jedi? The line can only be true if Vader was once a Jedi that forsaken their ways for that of the Sith.
No Vader was mentioned as a Sith Lord in the ArtBook and Childrens Storybook that was released with the movie so that was evidently there since the beginning. And the Sith and their relationship to the Jedi were mentioned in all of Lucas's previous drafts for ANH.
