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Bruce Wayne's origin doesn't really have a racial component.

Well, arguably it does, because Bruce is supposed to come from old money, and the first African-American billionaires have only come along in the past few decades. So a nonwhite Batman would need some aspects of his backstory changed, say, have Thomas Wayne be a self-made business success rather than the inheritor of a generations-old fortune.

Then again, the idea that the Waynes are old money is itself something that's accreted on over time; I don't think it was originally the case. So if it was changed before, it could be changed again.

And just to clarify, I'm someone who's always been okay with the notion of a black Batman. Back in the '90s, when I fantasized about creating a new Batman TV series, I couldn't think of a more ideal candidate for Batman than Michael Dorn.
The first black millionaire was Madam C. J. Walker who was born in the 1860s. It's possible that the Wayne fortune began in the early 1900 and grew to billions in the next 100 years. 100 years gives the room for several generations of Waynes.
 
Sorry to go back to this... but... this part of kirk55555's post was niggling in my brain...

And they can't get that without removing the Doctor's penis because?

Is that what a woman is? An emasculated man? If so, that's a fucked up perspective on women.
 
Look, the only reason the Doctor isn't a female is because the BBC won't let him change gender. They're far too conservative for something like this.

Until proven wrong, I believe the Doctor will always be a white male. And I am hoping to be wrong, because I'd like to see a black Doctor one far-off day.
 
The first black millionaire was Madam C. J. Walker who was born in the 1860s. It's possible that the Wayne fortune began in the early 1900 and grew to billions in the next 100 years. 100 years gives the room for several generations of Waynes.

True. Black millionaires were rare, but not nonexistent. And, heck, it's an alternate reality anyway. If there's a world where Atlantis and the Amazons are real, there's no reason it can't be a world that had a larger number of African-American millionaires or billionaires in its history. That would be a very mild bit of unreality in comparison.
 
The real Doctor is a male Timelord from Galifrey.

Is he really?

Cos we never heard of Timelords until the tail end of Troughton's era, and we never heard of Galifrey until Pertwee's era, so Hartnell was never actually a Timelord from Galifrey was he ;)

Don't get me wrong, if they wanted to make James Bond a woman I'd be outraged, but an alien whose entire DNA is rewritten everytime 'he' regenerates? I can live with that. I don't want it to just be a gimmick, it has to be the right person for the job but I'm not opposed to it.
 
Of all the characters out there in fiction, the Doctor is the one it makes the least sense to treat as having a fixed identity. There are certain fundamentals that all Doctors share: genius, humor, arrogance, morality, imagination, wanderlust, a certain personal irresponsibility combined with a deep sense of responsibility for others, occasional cluelessness and immaturity, and the like. But the rest of the Doctor's physical and behavioral traits are all changeable and should be changed. The franchise would never have lasted 50 years if it were hostile to reinvention. Male is just something the Doctor has happened to be. There's not a single reason why it's something he intrinsically has to be, any more than there's a reason why he's never been ginger.
 
Kirk55555 said:
Well, I want all the characters I like to stay like they are in the versions I like, so I would want Bruce Wayne to stay as he's been for 70 freaking years. So, no, I wouldn't want Terrance Howard to play him. Just like I don't want Elijah Wood to play Black Panther or Angelina Jolee to play Storm.
Bad examples, the Panther and Storm are from Africa and their origins tie into being Black Africans. The Panther more so than Storm. Bruce Wayne's origin doesn't really have a racial component.

Storm is actually from New York, she as bron in Harlem and her father was also an American.
 
After reading the last few pages of this thread, I really hope the next Doctor is a one-armed black lesbian from Brazil.
 
Kirk55555 said:
Well, I want all the characters I like to stay like they are in the versions I like, so I would want Bruce Wayne to stay as he's been for 70 freaking years. So, no, I wouldn't want Terrance Howard to play him. Just like I don't want Elijah Wood to play Black Panther or Angelina Jolee to play Storm.
Bad examples, the Panther and Storm are from Africa and their origins tie into being Black Africans. The Panther more so than Storm. Bruce Wayne's origin doesn't really have a racial component.

Storm is actually from New York, she as bron in Harlem and her father was also an American.

Her mother is African, a Princess from a Kenyan tribe--who according to wiki, is descended from a long line of witch priestesses. So...
 
Kirk55555 said:
Well, I want all the characters I like to stay like they are in the versions I like, so I would want Bruce Wayne to stay as he's been for 70 freaking years. So, no, I wouldn't want Terrance Howard to play him. Just like I don't want Elijah Wood to play Black Panther or Angelina Jolee to play Storm.
Bad examples, the Panther and Storm are from Africa and their origins tie into being Black Africans. The Panther more so than Storm. Bruce Wayne's origin doesn't really have a racial component.

Storm is actually from New York, she as bron in Harlem and her father was also an American.
Still her mother was from Africa. She wandered the plains of East African and was worshiped as a Goddess. She also spent time in Cairo as a child. Her time in America was pretty limited.
 
it took five years for Tennant to find steady work as well for that matter.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. He's been working steadily on screen and stage since leaving Doctor Who.

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.
 
it took five years for Tennant to find steady work as well for that matter.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. He's been working steadily on screen and stage since leaving Doctor Who.

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.
So only becoming a big star in the US counts as "steady work"? . British TV works differently than US TV. Some series do come out with years between them. Tennant is working on Gracepoint which began filming in January.
 
sometimes british dramas have a few years gap between serieses. also tennants done loads of theatre.

also davison was well known before doctor who and has been in many. many things since.
 
Sorry to go back to this... but... this part of kirk55555's post was niggling in my brain...

And they can't get that without removing the Doctor's penis because?

Is that what a woman is? An emasculated man? If so, that's a fucked up perspective on women.

No, its supposed to mean "Why does the Doctor have to be a female role model?", something someone brought up as the reason for a female Doctor. Is Britain so devoid of them that they need to screw up The Doctor? Why is that a role The Doctor needs to play? Honestly, I don't think the character needs to be looked up to/be a role model to anyone. Seriously though, I thought he was pretty popular with both genders. Even if there is a need for a leading woman for british youngsters, I don't see why Doctor Who needs to be the show for it. That was all I meant, that there are better ways to give girls an identifiable lead then changing The Doctor's gender. I'm also pretty sure that goal isn't one the BBC cares about regardless, at least in the context of a show like Doctor Who.

I really don't know where you got the "woman = emasculated man" thing. I like a bunch of female characters, and none of them are "emasculated men". I just don't want the Doctor to be a woman, and I don't see any real reason for it, and the ones supplied by people are really not convincing.
 
Why would a woman playing the Doctor screw things up?

Because its not The Doctor. It would be a random female alien calling herself The Doctor, just like a female Batman would be a random woman in a cowl. The Doctor is a guy, plain and simple. That's the established character, despite all of his different incarnations. He's the character I like (generally speaking), and Ihave no connection to some random female Timelord. Its something that would just be done to make PC people feel better, which is no reason to do anything. Gender is important to a character, I can't think of many gender neutral characters. Regardless of the reasons, The Doctor has been male for 50 years. He's never even hinted at changing gender. There is no compelling reason to do it, except that its technically permissible in canon.

By all means have more diverse characters in media, but make new damn characters, don't ruin pre established ones for their fans by creating a new character and stealing their name.
 
I really don't know where you got the "woman = emasculated man" thing. I like a bunch of female characters, and none of them are "emasculated men". I just don't want the Doctor to be a woman, and I don't see any real reason for it, and the ones supplied by people are really not convincing.

I got it from your post. When I suggest a female Doctor, you describe it as a Doctor with his penis removed... Thus, emasculated man.

And I'm sure you won't be surprised, your arguments as to why The Doctor should only be played by men isn't particularly convincing either.

Why would a woman playing the Doctor screw things up?

Because it would, apparently. Duh.
 
I just can't understand the logic that says the audience can cope with the Doctor being played by actors as diverse as William Hartnell, Matt Smith, Peter Capaldi and David Tennant yet wouldn't tolerate a female Doctor.

It's not that I want the Doctor to be played by a woman, any more than I wanted Tennant to quit. Or that I wanted Smith to replace him (I'd never heard of him). Or that I wanted Smith to quit (I'd happily have watched him for another decade) or that I wanted him to be replaced by Malcolm Tucker (I'd have been happy with another unknown). I'm just prepared to give a female actor in the role a fair crack of the whip, as I still haven't seen a convincing argument against it.

I mean, given that he's essentially an asexual character who's kissed men as much as he's kissed women, who's hardly a James Bond-style libido-driven character, why does his gender matter so much, given that we know how much his personality and essence changes from incarnation to incarnation?
 
Why would a woman playing the Doctor screw things up?

Because its not The Doctor. It would be a random female alien calling herself The Doctor, just like a female Batman would be a random woman in a cowl. The Doctor is a guy, plain and simple. That's the established character, despite all of his different incarnations. He's the character I like (generally speaking), and Ihave no connection to some random female Timelord. Its something that would just be done to make PC people feel better, which is no reason to do anything.

Sure it's the Doctor. It's no different than curly hair, big ears, massive chin or ginger hair. It's still the Doctor.

Don't play the "PC people" card. It's an automatic fail.
 
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