Peter Capaldi continues to show how awesome he is

[Ar-Pharazon]

Is this two or three threads derailed by the "female Doctor" debate?

I've lost count.

 

[Christopher]

Because its not The Doctor. It would be a random female alien calling herself The Doctor, just like a female Batman would be a random woman in a cowl. The Doctor is a guy, plain and simple.

You know what? If you'd been around in late 1966 (assuming you were British), you'd be writing angry letters to the Radio Times or something about the Doctor is William Hartnell, plain and simple, and how this Troughton guy is just some random weirdo calling himself the Doctor.

You honestly don't get how ridiculous you sound raising such objections about this character in particular, because you refuse to open your mind even the tiniest crack beyond what's comfortable and familiar to you. And that just proves that you have no clue who the Doctor actually is, because he is the last person in the universe who would sympathize with such impassioned refusal to embrace the unfamiliar.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. Because, fortunately, the show does not exist only to satisfy your tastes. Every time they change Doctors, they alienate fans who can't accept the new one. But that's okay, because there are plenty of other fans who are willing to embrace the new Doctor, and plenty more who start watching for the first time. So if they cast a female Doctor and you can't tolerate that, go right ahead and quit watching. Plenty of us will go on without you.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Since the revival they haven't even really pushed the envelope of diverse white male casting.

 

[DWF]

I think you don't know what you are talking about. He's been working steadily on screen and stage since leaving Doctor Who.

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.

So only becoming a big star in the US counts as "steady work"? . British TV works differently than US TV. Some series do come out with years between them. Tennant is working on Gracepoint which began filming in January.

Hardly for a man who did Harry Potter, Doctor Who and Quatermass he's been doing litle more than little known parts, guest starring roles and vioce acting and a play every couple of years. Broadchurch finally came along and now he's doing both the American and British versions of the show, that's steady work for a father of three, but it didn't coome all that quickly. especially compared to say Carely Mulligan.

 

[kirk55555]

You know what? If you'd been around in late 1966 (assuming you were British), you'd be writing angry letters to the Radio Times or something about the Doctor is William Hartnell, plain and simple, and how this Troughton guy is just some random weirdo calling himself the Doctor.

You honestly don't get how ridiculous you sound raising such objections about this character in particular, because you refuse to open your mind even the tiniest crack beyond what's comfortable and familiar to you. And that just proves that you have no clue who the Doctor actually is, because he is the last person in the universe who would sympathize with such impassioned refusal to embrace the unfamiliar.

Yes, because I totally hate the unfamiliar on Doctor Who. That's why I was one of the ones complaining/doomsaying when Matt Smith left...oh wait, I wasn't. I didn't make any judgement on Capaldi, the first new Doctor transition since I started watching Doctor Who regularly, and I like him decently so far. Just like I've given every Doctor incarnation a chance, and liked almost all of them (the darker seasons 7th Doctor being the only exception). I hate stupid change, but things can be unfamiliar and stupid, or unfamiliar but interesting. Heck, Doctor Who as a franchise was unfamiliar to me until a year or two ago, but now I really enjoy it.

Its funny how no one can just like The Doctor as he's been for 50 years. If you don't support a female Doctor, you're eeeeeeevvvvvvvviiiiiiilllllllllll

But you know what? It doesn't matter. Because, fortunately, the show does not exist only to satisfy your tastes. Every time they change Doctors, they alienate fans who can't accept the new one. But that's okay, because there are plenty of other fans who are willing to embrace the new Doctor, and plenty more who start watching for the first time. So if they cast a female Doctor and you can't tolerate that, go right ahead and quit watching. Plenty of us will go on without you.

Well, fortunately, the show doesn't exist to satisfy any individuals particular tastes, either. It won't do any PC casting just because a group of fans on the internet want it too. Will it do a female Doctor? Maybe, but its not a definite, soon to happen thing that some people here seem to believe it is. If a woman is cast as The Doctor, I'll watch and see what happens. It could be good, it could be bad. It wouldn't be the same show, but that doesn't mean it would be bad, it just wouldn't be Doctor Who.

If it was good, I'd watch it. Heck, if it was bad I'd probably still watch it. I'd watch a spin off right now with a female character/Timelord, so a female Doctor wouldn't make me quit the show. The right showrunner (I like Moffat, but I don't think I'd want him to do it) could probably make it work really well. It wouldn't be Doctor Who, and it would suck to see The Doctor go, but if it was the only choice I'd watch a female lead Doctor Who with a open mind, I just wouldn't count it as being the same show I enjoy today

TV has had some great female lead characters, from Buffy and Echo to Xena. There is no reason a female Timelord focused show couldn't be good, or even great. My objection is purely with rule 63ing the Doctor. If they want to do a female Timelord, they should actually create one or reuse an old one, not basically reboot The Doctor and end his run.

I really don't know where you got the "woman = emasculated man" thing. I like a bunch of female characters, and none of them are "emasculated men". I just don't want the Doctor to be a woman, and I don't see any real reason for it, and the ones supplied by people are really not convincing.

I got it from your post. When I suggest a female Doctor, you describe it as a Doctor with his penis removed... Thus, emasculated man.

I was just using colorful language. I could have just said "Why does the Doctor need to be come a female). Instead, I asked why his penis needed to be removed. No "emasculation" subtext was intended.

And I'm sure you won't be surprised, your arguments as to why The Doctor should only be played by men isn't particularly convincing either.

Well, since the only pro-female Doctor reasons are

- Just Because
- Well, every male character can and should be female apparently, so The Doctor must become one, because screw his history, they need DIVERSITY, without actually putting effort into make real diverse characters

I don't really think your opinion of my reasons is particularly compelling

 

[Nerys Myk]

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.

So only becoming a big star in the US counts as "steady work"? . British TV works differently than US TV. Some series do come out with years between them. Tennant is working on Gracepoint which began filming in January.

Hardly for a man who did Harry Potter, Doctor Who and Quatermass he's been doing litle more than little known parts, guest starring roles and vioce acting and a play every couple of years. Broadchurch finally came along and now he's doing both the American and British versions of the show, that's steady work for a father of three, but it didn't coome all that quickly. especially compared to say Carely Mulligan.

Different actors take different paths for different reasons.

Most of Tennants work seems to have been in Britain, so I'm not surprised its "liittle known" in America.

 

[DWF]

The funny thing about the Doctor having a penis or not was taht Tom Baker said once that they didn't want the Doctor to be seen drinking because it meant he'd had piss it out later. Until the Doctor kissed Grace in the TV movie he's been rather asexual, despite being surrounded by a number of beautiful compannions he's more their friend than anything else.

 

[DWF]

So only becoming a big star in the US counts as "steady work"? . British TV works differently than US TV. Some series do come out with years between them. Tennant is working on Gracepoint which began filming in January.

Hardly for a man who did Harry Potter, Doctor Who and Quatermass he's been doing litle more than little known parts, guest starring roles and vioce acting and a play every couple of years. Broadchurch finally came along and now he's doing both the American and British versions of the show, that's steady work for a father of three, but it didn't coome all that quickly. especially compared to say Carely Mulligan.

Different actors take different paths for different reasons.

Most of Tennants work seems to have been in Britain, so I'm not surprised its "liittle known" in America.

Fright Night was a bomb at the box office and I doubt if the Decoy Bride made it here to the states. And really only Doctor Fans know of his work ion The Scream of the Shalka, which was only a day's work for him. Still Doctor Who actors have had a bit a hard time getting good work, Paul McGaan had Janet Fielding as his agent for a while and his career wnet nowhere for a while.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Well, since the only pro-female Doctor reasons are

- Just Because
- Well, every male character can and should be female apparently, so The Doctor must become one, because screw his history, they need DIVERSITY, without actually putting effort into make real diverse characters

It's nice to see you misrepresenting what's being presented to you. I love me a good strawman!

And again, such hostility towards the idea of diversity. I really do think it's touching on something personal. Wow.

I don't really think your opinion of my reasons is particularly compelling

Oh! Snap!

And really only Doctor Fans know of his work ion The Scream of the Shalka, which was only a day's work for him.

I'm not sure how Scream of the Shalka is an example of Tennant not being able to get work after Doctor Who. Scream of the Shalka was 2 years before the new series premiered.

 

[Avon]

And they can't get that without removing the Doctor's penis because?

i don't think you know what a woman is. this is an utterly demeaning, fucked up comment to make.

 

[beamMe]

Also, is it that hard to believe that fans of a show don't want massive changes?

Have you actually watched Doctor Who?
If there is a constant in that show it is change.

 

[beamMe]

it took five years for Tennant to find steady work as well for that matter.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. He's been working steadily on screen and stage since leaving Doctor Who.

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.

I wasn't sure before, but now your American arrogance is really showing through. British television works quite differently than the US-system.
Tennant is a very successful actor, and probably makes more than enough money. That you don't know about it is your problem, not his.

 

[Captaindemotion]

In addition to his turn in DOTD, Tennant in the last 18 months or so did Broadchurch, The Escape Artist and the Politician's Husband, three of the most talked about shows on UK TV in recent times. For a British actor to be so prominent in so many shows in such a short period of time is a huge achievement.

 

[DWF]

I think you don't know what you are talking about. He's been working steadily on screen and stage since leaving Doctor Who.

If you count voice acting, narration, audio plays, guest starring o other shows and a play every couple of years. But as far as capilizing on being the Doctor no, he's got two failed US pilots and passed over to play Hannibal Lector. Even his Broadchurch series is being filmed yars apart.

I wasn't sure before, but now your American arrogance is really showing through. British television works quite differently than the US-system.
Tennant is a very successful actor, and probably makes more than enough money. That you don't know about it is your problem, not his.

I'm seeing things from a historical perpective and historisically actors who've played teh Doctor have had a hard time finding work. And they certainly aren't goingto finding more work while spending over half the year in Cardiff.

We have no idea how many actors have turned down teh role nor if any female actors other than Judi Dench have been considered for the part. Actors who've played the Doctor also have the danger of being typecast, which is why Patrick Trougton told Peter Davison to only do three years and Davison later admitted to being typecast as Tristan Farnon not the Doctor.

 

[DWF]

And really only Doctor Fans know of his work ion The Scream of the Shalka, which was only a day's work for him.

I'm not sure how Scream of the Shalka is an example of Tennant not being able to get work after Doctor Who. Scream of the Shalka was 2 years before the new series premiered.[/QUOTE]

And I didn't say it was, I was however using it as an example of how little work is needed for a voice part.

 

[beamMe]

I'm seeing things from a historical perpective and historisically actors who've played teh Doctor have had a hard time finding work.

No.

There certainly are varying degrees of success post-Doctor Who for some of them, though, but that's due more to their acting-abilities rather than their time as The Doctor.

 

[beamMe]

And I didn't say it was, I was however using it as an example of how little work is needed for a voice part.

I don't know why, but the words "grasping" and "straws" come to mind when I read this.

 

[DWF]

And I didn't say it was, I was however using it as an example of how little work is needed for a voice part.

I don't know why, but the words "grasping" and "straws" come to mind when I read this.

You''re thge grasping at straws, a movie role where an actor can make millions of dollars and stay busy for months kinds of beats minor voice work. But you have it your way.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I don't know that it's all that helpful to compare the careers of Troughton or even Davison with those of Smith and Tennant. You may as well compare the careers of Adam West or Michael Keaton with those of Christian Bale and Ben Affleck. They've all played the same characters but at different eras, in different ways, to differing levels of acclaim and at different stages of their own very different careers.

 

[DWF]

I don't know that it's all that helpful to compare the careers of Troughton or even Davison with those of Smith and Tennant. You may as well compare the careers of Adam West or Michael Keaton with those of Christian Bale and Ben Affleck. They've all played the same characters but at different eras, in different ways, to differing levels of acclaim and at different stages of their own very different careers.

For one thing you're comparing movie parts to TV parts and really the method of getting parts hasn't changed all the much. And actor will eitehr audition for a part their agent puts them up for or they're interviewed for said part or just plain asked or Eccleston's case beg. But as long as an actor has a good agent they can get good parts and steady work. But if they're tied down do a part out of the country it's hard to other jobs, Capaldi had to leave The Musketeers to play the Doctor, but Peter Davison was on two other series as well as Doctor Who during his run.