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Pegg's Scotty: Just Say No!

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Some people have suggested they enjoyed Pegg's performance. Yet others, including myself, have stated that the portrayal of Scotty was terrible.

Can a performance be good and terrible at the same time?

In the case of Scotty's portrayal: yes.

Pegg's performance was "good" in that, if you separate his scenes out from the rest of the movie, he did get cheap laughs. He acted in a silly, over-the-top way, and this always gets a chuckle.

Isn't this good, then?

No. It's not good because, even though his scenes, taken alone, may not be that bad, they do not fit in with the rest of the movie. They might be appropriate in a Disney movie for little kids (which usually have some over-the-top character for comic relief), but not here. Anyone can get cheap laughs by saying silly things loudly ("exciting"; "towel"): what's hard is to do so without detracting from the other actors.

Here are three specific problems with the portrayal of Scotty and why it harms the film:

1. Humor is too silly and obvious. Scotty is used as slapstick, as broad comic relief. He says mostly silly things, in an overacting, hammy manner. The comments about food on Delta Vega, the towel comment, and the "exciting" comment, were all attempts at humor by being silly.

But the humor in Star Trek is not supposed to be silly or slapstick. The other characters' jokes are wry and ironic: "is there a problem, officer?"; "no, not really." "at ease"; "I would cite regulation, but I know you would ignore it"; "aural sensitivity"; and so on. It's out of key, in the midst of these clever and subtle lines, to have childish, over-obvious humor.

2. Inconsistent with TOS. The other characters all have a direct and clear relationship to their characters in TOS. Much of the joy in watching the film is noting the carefully craftsmanship by which the differences and the similarities between the movie characters and their Prime versions are delineated. Unlike the others, however, Scotty is nothing like the TOS character. Scotty Prime did not spend all his time making stupid and overobvious jokes: he was in fact one of the more serious characters. He gave the cast balance. Pegg's portrayal destroys that balance.

3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.


So, the key problem with how Scotty is portrayed is not that the performance is not that it was bad per se; it was that it was out of place in this movie. It just did not fit in with the tone of the events of the movie; with Scotty's character from canon; and with how engineers might be expected to behave. Every scene he is in takes the viewer out of the movie, makes the movie seem that much less real.

And one other key thing: we lose the true character of Scotty, who was a great character on TOS. And we replace this great character with a kind of Jar Jar character, with puerility and nonsense.
 
Simon Pegg did an excellent job. Also, it is too late to replace him, and I think it would be absurd to do so anyway.
You, however, seem to have forgotten that Scotty was often comic relief in the original series.

"The Trouble with Tribbles", "By Any Other Name", "The Savage Curtain", Star Trek III, Star Trek IV, Star Trek V, often he referred to himself as an "Old Aberdeen Pub Crawler". Scotty was dirty, hands on, a fighting Scotsman, a brawler, he got drunk, he was comic relief.

J.
 
3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.

As an engineer myself (and a former Naval engineer type to boot) I can tell you that you're totally off base here.
 
3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.

As an engineer myself (and a former Naval engineer type to boot) I can tell you that you're totally off base here.

Wow, so reality AND the Star Trek universe takes care of the initial post! :D


J.
 
Well, here, I won't lie and say that I didn't enjoy Pegg in the movie. He was fun and contrasted, like you said, with the rest of the characters. For me, it was refreshing to have someone who was a little bit silly. However, at the same time, I agree with you that some of his humor were cheap laughs. Though I think he had such little screen time it didn't really detract that much from the film.

When it comes to NuScotty compared to Prime...I think there's the same leeway Spock and Kirk are getting. Scotty in TOS had a bit of a rebelious streak in him. He had a sharp tongue and I could, very much, see him teleporting his superior's pet if it proved his machine could do what he said it could. So, I looked at NuScotty to be the rebellious young version of what the much, much older Scotty in TOS probably was.

Also, as far as him not being credible... I disagree. I think it was a modernization of the character. NuScotty came across as one of these cocky technogeeks. I just think the concept of the technologically adept person, the persona of these people, has changed. When you think of someone who knows what they're doing with a computer, someone like the Scotty portrayed in XI comes to mind, not the hard working and proud Scotty from TOS. Do I agree with this change? Absolutely not, but I can see where it's coming from.

What I think is that in the next movie we see if Pegg's portrayal changes at all once he's in a uniform and part of a functioning ship. If he's not a bit more disciplined, then I'll probably by standing beside you crying for my old Scotty back.

But I wouldn't even dare compare NuScotty to Jar Jar. That's just wrong. :(
 
NuScotty was fine. NuChekov is the only one I'd like to see ejected out the nearest airlock, which isn't to suggest that he was in any way inferior to oChekov.
 
Why are people still bitching about the most trivial things? "Pegg's Scotty isn't good," "I don't think this film appeals to nerrrds," "the Enterprise should be 0.3cm shorter in length".

No offence mate, it's 9:30am and I've not had my coffee, but get a damn life. Peggs protrayal was excellent and exactly what was expected of him.
 
Another point to add, he didn't exactly get much chance to shine in his 'engineer' aspect, so of course the other parts of his personality will come through stronger. When we see him in the next film (along with some of the other characters) we'll get to see more aspects of his character.
 
But the humor in Star Trek is not supposed to be silly or slapstick.

Who are you to decide what Trek is supposed to be? Is there anyone who's the definite chief/boss/overseer of all that is Trek and who decides what's appropriate or worthy of being included in Trek?

Even Roddenbery was not all he's made out to be.. he had a decent vision and started it all but honestly i much prefer some modern takes on the Trek genre than most of what happened in TOS.
If i recall there was much slapstick and silly humor in Trek (just go see Trouble with Tribbles).

2. Inconsistent with TOS.

Uhm.. you do realize it's a reboot? That there were character changes and quite a lot of them (i don't recall Spock having a relationship while in Academy or later on)?

Scotty is as he is.. a very passionate, driven and maybe socially inappropriate at times.

3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general.

Do you know any engineers at all? Especially in the age range of new Scotty? I do and let me tell you.. they are for the most part exactly like that!
I've seen them at parties getting drunk like everyone else, hog food in their labs/offices, scrounge up every last piece of tech to cobble something together which may or may not be useful just to see if they can make it work etc.
Please forget the clichee of the socially inept nerd who secludes away to tinker with some things.. it exists but they are not the norm.
This Scotty is a little bit out there but so are many of the engineers i've met.

So, the key problem with how Scotty is portrayed is not that the performance is not that it was bad per se; it was that it was out of place in this movie. It just did not fit in with the tone of the events of the movie; with Scotty's character from canon; and with how engineers might be expected to behave. Every scene he is in takes the viewer out of the movie, makes the movie seem that much less real.

I get it.. you don't like Pegg's portrayal of Scotty or how Scotty was written in that movie.. it's your call. But i disagree on your reasons.. i think he was a fine tribute to Doohan and the original Scotty.
 
Pegg got off to a rough start, and the writers did the character no favors with "Archer's beagle", but he settled down nicely by the end of the film.

If ANY of the cast needs replacing, it's Yetlzin (sp?)...
 
I was over the moon that Pegg was chosen to play Scotty, and he made scotty his own and not some terrible jimmy Doohan impersonation, and i was over the moon that the movie gave all the charactors so much screen time, Pegg did a wonderful job as did all the actors, who had a hell of a job portraying character that were so beloved and linked to one group of actors for over 40 years.


And judging by the movies success your going to be seeing a lot more of those actors and Pegg, in that role in the future, and deservedly so in my view.
 
Reading the OP it's not Pegg you have a problem with, it's the writing. Pegg did his job superbly by reading the lines he was given and being the comic relief he was asked to be.

Thats not his fault, is it?
 
Simon Pegg did an excellent job. Also, it is too late to replace him, and I think it would be absurd to do so anyway.
Two words: transporter malfunction. :evil: (Yes, I am aware of the irony of that potential situation...)

... often he referred to himself as an "Old Aberdeen Pub Crawler". Scotty was dirty, hands on, a fighting Scotsman, a brawler, he got drunk, he was comic relief.
But in this movie, he sounds Glaswegian rather than Aberdonian. (Via Brigadoon of course. :guffaw:)


Nah, I loved Pegg's Scotty. :bolian: I get the feeling that anyone else would've made Pegg's Scotty look like f*ckin'... Shaft! ;)
 
Just so that there is no confusion here; James Doohan's accent was as Aberdonian as Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was cockerney.
 
It felt more like he was playing a Scottish Simon Pegg than he was playing Montgomery Scott, but I still enjoyed his work. I really liked everyone, actually. Well, I thought Saldana was the weak link, but she was still okay.
 
Peggs jokes went down well in each of the six times I saw the film at the cinema, a bit of a generalisation here but it seems that people from the UK like Pegg as Scotty and the Americans don't get it at all ;)
 
3. Not credible. Engineers just don't act the way Pegg does, in general. Not for one moment did anyone believe Pegg was actually an engineer: he was acting like a salesman or class clown who happened to be cast as an engineer.

As an engineer myself (and a former Naval engineer type to boot) I can tell you that you're totally off base here.

As a different sort of engineer I can assure you when I get serious we're moments away from catastrophe. Rest of the time I'm a normal human being.

Engineers are people too, damn it. :D
 
Why are people still bitching about the most trivial things? "Pegg's Scotty isn't good," "I don't think this film appeals to nerrrds," "the Enterprise should be 0.3cm shorter in length".

No offence mate, it's 9:30am and I've not had my coffee, but get a damn life. Peggs protrayal was excellent and exactly what was expected of him.
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