But how many of those ships are being produced in a month? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? All those numbers are below what would be necessary to drop tens or hundreds of millions of dollars into new Prime universe material.
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But how many of those ships are being produced in a month? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? All those numbers are below what would be necessary to drop tens or hundreds of millions of dollars into new Prime universe material.
It is impossible to overstate this. After the 50th anniversary is over, Paramount is unlikely to give a shit about Star Trek for a long, long, long time unless Beyond makes a zillion dollars.
I still tend to think the future of the franchise has to be in video games not TV. I've got two boys who couldn't tell you five shows on TV right now, yet they know YouTube and video games like the back of their hands.
Me personally? I'd rather play Grand Theft Auto than watch Breaking Bad or whatever other show is currently on the air.
Until CBS figures out an interactive strategy for Star Trek, its audience will continue to get grayer and whittle away.
Me personally? I'd rather play Grand Theft Auto than watch Breaking Bad or whatever other show is currently on the air.
Until CBS figures out an interactive strategy for Star Trek, its audience will continue to get grayer and whittle away.
Thank God Rick Berman was in charge as long as he was.
He brought quality and respect to the series.
The guys from "Paul" and "Fast and the Furious" will never submit anything as layered and complex as "Deep Space Nine", I'd wager.
He brought quality and respect to the series.
The guys from "Paul" and "Fast and the Furious" will never submit anything as layered and complex as "Deep Space Nine", I'd wager.
In my opinion, expecting that the success of these movies will convince CBS to launch a new TV series is, as they say, a fool's errand.
There's no evidence that sales of "prime" merchandise indicates anything but the existing fanbase spending disposable income. That doesn't translate to ratings, and ratings is what generates advertising dollars. Advertising revenue is the only reason any network develops and airs a show. It's all about the green, and I ain't talking about arugula.
I feel confident in saying that if CBS saw any way to make TV Trek profitable it would be everywhere, all the time. Like NCIS or CSI.
There's no evidence that sales of "prime" merchandise indicates anything but the existing fanbase spending disposable income. That doesn't translate to ratings, and ratings is what generates advertising dollars. Advertising revenue is the only reason any network develops and airs a show. It's all about the green, and I ain't talking about arugula.
I feel confident in saying that if CBS saw any way to make TV Trek profitable it would be everywhere, all the time. Like NCIS or CSI.
I think the time for Netflix and CBS to have gotten together would've been back when Netflix was first developing original programming.
CBS doesn't have to do anything to make money off Star Trek. Paramount makes movies, the licensees make merchandise, and CBS sits back and enjoys the fruits of zero investment.
CBS has owned Trek since 2006. Based on what we've seen so far, I'd say yes. It's improbable.
The rights are not as cut and dry, which is something that JJ lamented when trying to merchandise his Trek movies. I know we will never know the full story, but it was clearly a sore spot of his.
For me, the accuracy of the numbers will be difficult to determine, because I don't think it was merchandised well at all because of all the contention.
But, I'm of the opinion that things like Star Trek, Stargate and other franchises need to be merchandised like in a similar manner to Star Wars and Halo. There needs to be more variety, to appeal to a wide range of ages, rather than the cherry picking that seems to be happening.
And why is that? Justin Lin has more to his credits than Fast and Furious, and is more aware of Star Trek's impact for Asian actors in Hollywood.
Simon Pegg, likewise, is capable doing more than things like "Paul," especially with his work on things like "Spaced" and "Shaun of the Dead" which are more multi-layered satires of different genres than most would give them credit for.
Besides, if we box in production teams based upon one work, we would never get Joss Whedon working on the Avengers (only his second film, mind you) or Bruce Willis as an action star, or any other number of assumptions regarding Hollywood professionals.
Lin is perfectly qualified to handle this picture.
Video games based on TV shows and movies really don't sell, and that's not specific to CBS. It's been that way for a long time. Plenty of kids watch TV, and plenty still will when we're all dead.
It comes after Star Trek-x, obviously.
I think his point is that the big hits in the 70s included more thoughtful movies.
This doesn't make any sense. If you like them, there must be something good about them. Unless you are saying a movie featuring car chases cannot be a good movie BY DEFINITION.
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Sorry, but I've seen this a few times recently, and it bugs the hell out of me.
I have read Pegg's post, but I am not sure what the part you quoted means.
What does he mean by "the things that made them precious to us"?
"Complaints the fans had" is a very broad term, as are Pegg's "fringe concerns". It doesn't mean much.
(I am a fan too, and I had only one major complaint with the last 2 films, and that complaint was actually addressed in STID)
My main problem with Pegg's recent remarks is, that to a degree he acts like that serious & light-harted, that "adult" and childish are mutually exclusive. They aren't.
Though if you read all of Pegg's mea culpa, he actually seems to understand that.
I just read it, to get a sense of the context, and I think he means the parts of franchises that drew us in in the first place. He talks about looking at the whys of liking a particular work or film, and taking a step back to understand that love.
I think he is also talking about the commercial forces than can drive a film making process, but the commercial concerns are not always the same as the fan concerns.
Look at the selection of Orci, and then Lin and the fan furor that occurred. What were some expressed concerns? That Orci could not produce a good Star Trek movie that would be what they wanted. What are some expressed worries over Lin? Concern that he would not be able to produce anything more than a fast paced action film that doesn't look like Star Trek.
What are the studios concerned with? Can the director make this film in A) this time frame and B) for this much money? It's a commercial concern, not always a story concern.
At least, that was my take.
I disagree that this would be a "best case". Star Trek is not designed to be used as fodder for an art film or an indie-style Oscar bait film. It is too silly for that, uses too many gee-whiz tricks, and is too firmly linked to popcorn style flicks to get away with becoming a niche. If Star Trek stops being a viable tent-pole summer flick franchise - it dies.
The same thing happens if anyone attempts to resurrect the "Prime" timeline.
This would be fantastic! I doubt it will ever happen though.
This possible future doesn't concern me all that much.
Very few films have match the Avengers numbers, so using that as a bench mark is a bit silly. The general public is the audience for the new film, as the hardcore fans will watch anything with "Star Trek" on it, even if their goal is only to find something to complain about. Paramount is not trying to impress those who did not like STiD. That's a rather small market.
Amen. Please, please, please let this be a success or else all we will be stuck with is fan-produced garbage.
No.
Nope.
Wrong.
Berman was in charge of TNG and he delivered one of the greatest television series of all time.
He was barely involved with DS9...
He had a good sense in him to give ENT to Manny Coto...
He did some stupid shit over the years, but fans tend to be too quick to dismiss his contribution entirely.
I think his contribution was severely overvalued, but I was a bit too hasty to dismiss it completely.
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