Hi all. Does anybody know where these given names for Chekov...
Rotsler also proposed Edward as McCoy's middle name, but ST III contradicted this by calling him Leonard H. McCoy. Oddly, Diane Duane continued to call him Leonard Edward McCoy in books and comics published years after ST III.
Rotsler also proposed Edward as McCoy's middle name, but ST III contradicted this by calling him Leonard H. McCoy. Oddly, Diane Duane continued to call him Leonard Edward McCoy in books and comics published years after ST III.
Never cared for Hikaru. For Sulu's first name, Roddenberry (supposedly) selected Sulu because it was "pan-asian." Sulu's first name as well should have been pan-asian, and not specifically Japanese.Personally, I like the names "Nyota" and "Hikaru" a lot better, and I'm glad that they eventually became official.
You're assuming that "Hikaru" isn't a pan-Asian name *by then*. Maybe it was the name of a character in a book/movie/whatever popular all throughout Asia in the late 22nd century, and people all over the continent name their kids that.Never cared for Hikaru. For Sulu's first name, Roddenberry (supposedly) selected Sulu because it was "pan-asian." Sulu's first name as well should have been pan-asian, and not specifically Japanese.Personally, I like the names "Nyota" and "Hikaru" a lot better, and I'm glad that they eventually became official.
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You're assuming that "Hikaru" isn't a pan-Asian name *by then*. Maybe it was the name of a character in a book/movie/whatever popular all throughout Asia in the late 22nd century, and people all over the continent name their kids that.Never cared for Hikaru. For Sulu's first name, Roddenberry (supposedly) selected Sulu because it was "pan-asian." Sulu's first name as well should have been pan-asian, and not specifically Japanese.Personally, I like the names "Nyota" and "Hikaru" a lot better, and I'm glad that they eventually became official.
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Names come from a lot of different places for a lot of different reasons. My daughter's middle name being "Nerys" doesn't mean she's Bajoran.![]()
Never cared for Hikaru. For Sulu's first name, Roddenberry (supposedly) selected Sulu because it was "pan-asian." Sulu's first name as well should have been pan-asian, and not specifically Japanese.
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Fair enough, and this...I think she means out of universe, not in universe.
...is a much better counter-argument, anyway.If anything, giving Sulu first and last names from different languages makes him more "pan-Asian," not less.
Actually, the name Hikaru comes from the protagonist of Murasaki Shikibu's The Tale of Genji, as established in The Entropy Effect (the novel that gave him the name).You're assuming that "Hikaru" isn't a pan-Asian name *by then*. Maybe it was the name of a character in a book/movie/whatever popular all throughout Asia in the late 22nd century, and people all over the continent name their kids that.
But Sulu isn't actually a "pan-Asian" name at all. It's a place name from the Philippines, referring to a province, an archipelago, and a sea in that country. It's derived from the language of the Tausug people who inhabit portions of the Philippines, Malaysia, and Indonesia. Roddenberry apparently believed that the Sulu Sea abutted several different countries, and thus represented a name that wasn't specific to a given country, but if so, he was wrong; it actually only abuts two countries, the Philippines on three sides and Malaysia on the fourth. Geopolitically speaking, the sea is Philippine territory.
So "Sulu" is every bit as localized a name as "Hikaru" is. It's not "pan-Asian," it's Tausug. If anything, giving Sulu first and last names from different languages makes him more "pan-Asian," not less. There's no such thing as a single "pan-Asian name," because there are many different languages spoken in Asia and every name comes from somewhere specific.
(And then there's the total jumble that is "Khan Noonien Singh." The Singh part is correct for a Sikh male, but Khan is mainly a Muslim surname, and Noonien is evidently of Chinese origin. The thing about '60s TV producers in America is that they tended to treat everything from the Middle East to Japan as culturally interchangeable.)
Didn't Khan's name come from Roddenberry trying to get in touch with a friend of his from the Air Force by using his name in Star Trek (twice)? Or was that just another of his many...I'll say stretchings of the truth to be kind?
Didn't Khan's name come from Roddenberry trying to get in touch with a friend of his from the Air Force by using his name in Star Trek (twice)? Or was that just another of his many...I'll say stretchings of the truth to be kind?
The "Noonien" part reputedly did, with both Khan and Noonian Soong. Apparently the friend in question was a Chinese man named Noonien Wang, although Memory Alpha claims it was Kim Noonien Wang.
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