I liked Checkoff wasn't he played by one of the Monkies?
Heh, kidding. I expected to see this kind of comment, but haven't yet.
Heh, kidding. I expected to see this kind of comment, but haven't yet.
Pavel Chekov
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Walter Koenig is a living legend 
Davy Jones wig, to be more precise, but comme si, comme ca, or however thesaying goes. But I agree, I too found the addition of Pavel a good choice! He's adorable, and funny! To him, everything started off in Russia, and in accordance to Space, Russia does have the heads up, I'll give him that much. lol
He was so good in Who Morns For Adonis... & Specter Of The Gun.
I like Chekov best in "Journey to Babel." I think it's cool how he takes over Spock's duties so competently.
Of course, for every Sylvia there's usually a Tamoon.
I do recall there were two female helm officers, in Gamesters of Triskelion and That Which Survives.
As for Chekov, of all the young ensigns they've had on all the ST shows, he was the best. Sure, the "Russian invented this or that" stuff was a bit corny, but it did provide some laughs at Russia's expense.
I did think Sulu's character suffered at Chekov's expense, though. For instance, I always though it should've been Sulu who was made security chief, or Sulu who was Terrell's first officer on Reliant.
Just for fun, here's a clip of Russian inventions.
Red Ranger
So PC....
So PC....
Those were the days! -- RR
Ahhh, Pavel, the great Equalizer!
Great clip! Thanks!
I do like how in the beginning of the clip, Scotty mentions the old saying, "Fool me once..." and Chekov says it was invented in Russia. By the look on his face, you can tell he doesn't believe it either!
I beg to take issue with you on this. The woman as second in command was scrapped with almost everything in the original draft of Star Trek. It had nothing to do with Majel being involved with Roddenberry. He gave in to almost all of NBCs demands except for Spock (remember, Spock being " too devilish"??)
Take anything said by Solow and Justman with a grain of salt. They both had issues with Roddenberry. And Justman should talk? He chased Gates McFadden around the TNG set so much she quit the series after the end of Season Two.
Agreed, and we've probably justified the comment (in the poster's mind, anyway) by not ignoring it.
Doug
We know from 'the wraith of khan' that Chekov was aboard the Enterprise during 'space seed', at some point Chekov interacted with Khan, who would never forget him. What other episodes was Chekov in that we didn't see him?
This side of paradise, Chekov would of been affected by the omicron spores. He would of experianced combat for the first time with the klingons during 'errand of mercy'. 'The alternate factor' would of seen Chekov establishing a brief friendship with Lazarus, who like Khan would never forget him.
'City' sees Chekov disappear from where we can't see him when - all you know is gone- but he's back in time to man the navigators station in 'amok time'.
T'Girl
This side of paradise, Chekov would of been affected by the omicron spores. He would of experianced combat for the first time with the klingons during 'errand of mercy'. 'The alternate factor' would of seen Chekov establishing a brief friendship with Lazarus, who like Khan would never forget him.
'City' sees Chekov disappear from where we can't see him when - all you know is gone- but he's back in time to man the navigators station in 'amok time'.
T'Girl
I have only positive feelings for Chekov as he has always been my favorite of the secondary characters. It's not only because I love Walter Koenig's wonderfully perky performance so much, but because in many ways I can relate to his character. He's the new guy on the ship, one of the youngest and because of his descent and accent he's an outsider by default. He always comes across as a rather ordinary guy, too, which is something I like.
But actually I'm not sure what exactly it is I love about his character so much. I just know that I like all the episodes that feature scenes with him.
But actually I'm not sure what exactly it is I love about his character so much. I just know that I like all the episodes that feature scenes with him.
You know, I love this clip! Not because of all the silly jokes about Russians, but because it showcases Koenig's comedic talent and demonstrates the camaraderie that was apparent in The Original Series.
Where are you going to take the issue? I hope to a nice, expensive dinner at a swank restaurant, the kind that have the posh napkin rings and more than one fork. And if you want to take issue, there's no need to beg. Just ask and maybe it'll want to go out. I hear the issue's been looking for a reason to wear that little black number it bought at that boutique.
Yes, I'm familiar with the official story, the myth that's grown over the years, perpetuated by Roddenberry, and the one repeated ad nauseam, the whole "who does she think she is". Debunked by those who had a direct hand in the production -- Solow and Justman, two men who were just as influential on TOS as Roddenberry and Coon. In fact, it was Solow not Roddenberry that had the most direct contact with the network and knew exactly what they wanted from the show. Among the networks wants were more diversity and strong female characters.
Now had Roddenberry been as progressive as he is made out to be, then why didn't he take the opportunity on TNG to correct NBC's supposed shortsightedness and cast a women as first officer, or better yet as captain?
Out of curiosity, have you read Inside Star Trek: The Real Story? Justman and Solow do express their frustrations at some of Roddenberry's faults, but they go out of their way to praise the man and acknowledge that while a strained friendship, he was still their friend. The book makes it clear that Solow and Justman have no real ax to grind. They wanted to present their side of the production of TOS, which had been primarily from the one side of Roddenberry and the mythos that grew around him.
Moreover, you have your facts all wrong in regards to Justman, who is considered by many to have been a true gentleman. He wasn't the one who allegedly chased--i.e. harassed--McFadden around the TNG set. That was Maurice Hurley, who was co-executive producer on TNG for two seasons, one and two, and the main person responsible for McFadden's, and Crusher's, departure after season one not two.
Berman "diplomatically" discusses the discord between Hurley and McFadden in an interview with the American television archive.
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9HcSB9WDTQ
Until he died, Justman was always a welcomed guest on the TNG set from the series to the last movie. I'm not sure the same could be said about Hurley.
I don't know if the term mistress applies, . The way I remember the stories, the execs in New York loved the idea of a female first officer. This was the mid-sixties, the begining of woman's lib, women in the workplace, women controlling more decisions about the spending of money. Arguable TV exsists to sell commercial time. They love the idea of female first officer.
They just didn't want Majel Barrett.
While her acting in the pilot was good, they didn't feel that she possessed the professional credentials for what would be second or third billing on the show. And more than a few New York execs had a problem with the fact that Gene Roddenberry, a married man, was putting his girl friend up for the role. Roddenberry was told to keep the female first officer, but to recast the role.
The stories gets lost at that point, but in the second pilot Captain Kirk obviously doesn't have a new female first officer, Mister Spock has that position.
T'Girl
I don't know if the term mistress applies, . The way I remember the stories, the execs in New York loved the idea of a female first officer. This was the mid-sixties, the begining of woman's lib, women in the workplace, women controlling more decisions about the spending of money. Arguable TV exsists to sell commercial time. They love the idea of female first officer.
They just didn't want Majel Barrett.
While her acting in the pilot was good, they didn't feel that she possessed the professional credentials for what would be second or third billing on the show. And more than a few New York execs had a problem with the fact that Gene Roddenberry, a married man, was putting his girl friend up for the role. Roddenberry was told to keep the female first officer, but to recast the role.
The stories gets lost at that point, but in the second pilot Captain Kirk obviously doesn't have a new female first officer, Mister Spock has that position.
T'Girl
You right! I cross-circuited two separate stories from two separate books. The bit about it being Barret's acting and whether she was up to task is from Inside Star Trek, my copy of which is back in San Diego. The bit on the mistress part came, I think, from Shatner's Star Trek Memories, which, unlike the Solow/Justman book, can be considered a secondary source at best (really more like a third-hand account) and not entirely reliable.
Solow did relate a story about how a network exec easily figured out that Chapel and Number One were played by the same actress, then asked something along the lines of "who's keeping her?" Of course, Solow knew but didn't say it was Roddenberry.
Of course, the role was created for Barrett and when she was out so was the character.
Mea culpa.
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