Passing Of The Trainers (Mild Spoilers)

[Allyn Gibson]

I think it might be very interesting to see how someone from the mid-90s would react to the world in the late 2000s.

You might want to rethink that... Just go look over at Gallifrey Base forums to see how they react. They generally spend their time moaning how Paul McGann never came back, how camp the show has become and how great the novels of Lawrence Miles are... Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here!

But... but... the novels of Lawrence Miles are great!

Also, I'm so looking forward to his reaction to the fifth season. Oh, that's going to be good. I wonder how long it will be until he says, "I miss RTD."

 

[ChristopherPike]

Sorry. I got a little carried away didn't I?

I don't know about Series 5 to be honest with you. I do I think it will be successful? Sure... even after the media love affair with Tennant. It'll probably be 2005 all over again with a fresh and promising start, then (for me anyway) becoming a bit of a turn off midway onwards. It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it a poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much to take. They'll no doubt be something controversial and completely over the top when it comes to writing Tennant out. Steven Moffat knows that pushing for a bigger showstopper approach is what viewers expect from the show every year. It may take a while before some of those extravagant elements fall away and series begin to end with lower key threats to the Doctor and his companion.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Sorry. I got a little carried away didn't I?

No worries.

It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much.

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

 

[Sci]

Sorry. I got a little carried away didn't I?

No worries.

It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much.

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

I've sometimes thought to myself that perhaps the best way for Doctor Who to avoid aging itself might be, paradoxically, to actually ground itself in an era that's already past. One of my favorite scenes in the show is the bit in "The Christmas Invasion" as "Song for Ten" plays whilst the Doctor is trying on clothes, because it has this vaguely retro, 60s vibe to it. I rather like the idea of Doctor Who always having a bit of a retro 60s vibe to it, and I think that that might actually help keep it from dating too quickly.

 

[Starkers]

So, what, Mid-90's is now "ancient"? As far as I am concerned, Mid-90's is just as a good as "contemporary".

Tell that to the 8-14 year olds who STILL make up the core audience of the show.

Mark

^ This.

Remember, especially to the 8-or-so year olds... Ground Zero in New York has always existed. Tony Blair had always been the Prime Minister until 2007. The U.S. and U.K. have been in Iraq since they were 2 years old. The Afghan War has always been going on. George W. Bush had always been the U.S. President. Labour has always made up the government in the U.K. Cell phones have always existed. Facebook has always been around. People have always been able to take pictures with camera phones, and BlackBerries and iPhones are too old for them to have major memories of life before them. GPS has always existed. Al Qaeda has always been out there.

Oh, and Christopher Eccleston or David Tennant have always been the Doctor.

And a lot of things haven't changed in the same time period. A Bush in the White house to a Bush in the white house, a Clinton in the Whitehouse to a Clinton almost in the White house. War in Iraq to war in Iraq. Russia as a major power to Russia as a major power, world powers emroiled in guerilla war in Afghanistan to world powers embroiled in guerilla war in Afghanistan, A Nightmare on Elm Street film at the cinema to anightmare on elm street film at the cinema, Take That in the charts to, well Take That in the charts!

I think it would be more fun to take Amy--who I'm assuming is from the modern day--back to 1995 or something. If you're going to go with a companion who isn't from now, then you might as well pluck them from further away than 10 years ago, 'cos whilst 8-14 year olds are the core audience, most of em watch with mums/dads/uncles/aunts etc.

 

[Captain Pike]

It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much.

I agree with you and said much the same at the time they were broadcast.

 

[Cutter John]

I dunno, I guess I'm old enough to appreciate when a show is a 'product of its time'. So dated episodes don't really bother me.

 

[DWF]

It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much.

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.[/QUOTE]

Well Bad Wolf always kind of bored me, but Parting Of The Ways I think is still a good ep. But I do think that entire first season s overrated as is Eccleston's Doctor, I didn't think he was very smart or very heroic compared to past Doctors.

 

[Bacl]

It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10. The final moments not withstanding, I found it poor story for Eccleston to have to leave on. Just my opinion, but I found DW hanging a finale on the popularity of BB and reality TV too much.

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

Well Bad Wolf always kind of bored me, but Parting Of The Ways I think is still a good ep. But I do think that entire first season s overrated as is Eccleston's Doctor, I didn't think he was very smart or very heroic compared to past Doctors.[/QUOTE]

That's funny, because I think the entire first season is underrated, as is Eccleston's Doctor.

 

[Captain Pike]

I liked Eccleston but found the writing was very often sub-par. Also, as in later seasons it was cheapened further by the gaudy pop-culture references, which I agree will date the show rather badly.

 

[Samurai8472]

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

I don't know what your talking about.

Having Britney Spears "Toxic" playing and mention of Brad and Angelina(the runaway bride) will ALWAYS be timeless.

 

[Sci]

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

I don't know what your talking about.

Having Britney Spears "Toxic" playing and mention of Brad and Angelina(the runaway bride) will ALWAYS be timeless.

Actually, I think the use of "Toxic" works in "The End of the World," as does the use of "Tainted Love." The point isn't to say, "LOOK AT US WE'RE CONTEMPORARY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ALIENS AND SPACE SHIPS," but, rather, to use two songs that Rose would recognize -- one from around the time she was born, one from around the year she left with the Doctor -- to further her sense, and the audience's sense, of temporal culture shock.

Plus, the bit about confusing jukeboxes with iPods is just hysterical.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I tend to think that RTD's era may date rather badly as time goes on, for very much that reason.

I don't know what your talking about.

Having Britney Spears "Toxic" playing and mention of Brad and Angelina(the runaway bride) will ALWAYS be timeless.

Actually, I think the use of "Toxic" works in "The End of the World," as does the use of "Tainted Love." The point isn't to say, "LOOK AT US WE'RE CONTEMPORARY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ALIENS AND SPACE SHIPS," but, rather, to use two songs that Rose would recognize -- one from around the time she was born, one from around the year she left with the Doctor -- to further her sense, and the audience's sense, of temporal culture shock.

While I can see what you're getting at, it still doesn't work for me. *shrug*

Plus, the bit about confusing jukeboxes with iPods is just hysterical.

That, however, was damn funny.

 

[Starkers]

Well Bad Wolf always kind of bored me, but Parting Of The Ways I think is still a good ep. But I do think that entire first season s overrated as is Eccleston's Doctor, I didn't think he was very smart or very heroic compared to past Doctors.

That's funny, because I think the entire first season is underrated, as is Eccleston's Doctor.

Yeah S1 is very good, as is Eccleston, though I'd agree that Bad Wolf is kinda poor. Sorry I could accept the notion that humans in the far future had resurected TV shows from the past, but all from the same year? And even featuring authentic voices? If they'd mixed it up a bit, maybe stuck one made up game show in there I wouldn't have minded, but as it was I found the episode grating.

Eccleston was brilliant though. Have to say in many ways I prefer his sometimes cowardly, sometimes downright scared Doctor to Tennant's teflon coated romatic action hero. I do like Tennant though, I just sometimes wish he was less of the perfect Doctor. He is the Pierce Brosnan 007 of Doctors in that he's brilliant pastiche of other Docs, without neccesarily bringing anything radically new to the role.

 

[StCoop]

I liked Eccleston but found the writing was very often sub-par. Also, as in later seasons it was cheapened further by the gaudy pop-culture references, which I agree will date the show rather badly.

I always find comments like this bizarre. All "Doctor Who" ever made is dated. For that matter all television ever made is dated. How is something being part of the time it was made a bad thing?

(And if you're talking "gaudy" pop-culture references the series has had them since 1965.)

 

[Starkers]

^ True, I've never forgiven Who for featuring the Clangers...

 

[Shazam!]

It'll probably be 2005 all over again with a fresh and promising start, then (for me anyway) becoming a bit of a turn off midway onwards. It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10.

I found it the best finale of the new series so far. All the others have been way over the top, and even though Parting of the Ways had equally over the top elements it at least had the advantage of being the first time it had happened. I also liked how modern-day Earth wasn't in danger.

Christopher Eccleston was a far better Doctor than David Tennant's intergalactic Timmy Mallett.

 

[Starkers]

It'll probably be 2005 all over again with a fresh and promising start, then (for me anyway) becoming a bit of a turn off midway onwards. It's an unpopular view but I didn't make much of Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways. I read in the DWM it's now in the Top 10.

I found it the best finale of the new series so far. All the others have been way over the top, and even though Parting of the Ways had equally over the top elements it at least had the advantage of being the first time it had happened. I also liked how modern-day Earth wasn't in danger.

Christopher Eccleston was a far better Doctor than David Tennant's intergalactic Timmy Mallett.

I still think Doomsday was the best finale, but Parting of the Ways was probably second behind that--like you say nice not to see present day Earth in danger. That said The Stolen Earth was probably the best first part of a finale!

 

[wamdue]

Plus, the bit about confusing jukeboxes with iPods is just hysterical.

That, however, was damn funny.

cant disagree with that

 

[The Badger]

And an interesting extra bit of info. No photos since they've been going out of their way to shield the leads from public view, but Karen was apparently wearing a Police Uniform during today's (or yeasterday's now) shooting.

Redhead in WPC outfit...I love Steven Moffat

Rejoice!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...shows-long-legs-sexy-policewomans-outfit.html