Passing Of The Trainers (Mild Spoilers)

[Cky]

Well it's nice to know this Doctor will receive the same post regeneration crazyness as his predessors.

Also, I haven't actually seen any police officers around for a while, are they that slutty now? I've got to go get myself arrested.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Well it's nice to know this Doctor will receive the same post regeneration crazyness as his predessors.

Also, I haven't actually seen any police officers around for a while, are they that slutty now? I've got to go get myself arrested.

I have, and fortunately not...

 

[wamdue]

Well it's nice to know this Doctor will receive the same post regeneration crazyness as his predessors.

Also, I haven't actually seen any police officers around for a while, are they that slutty now? I've got to go get myself arrested.

from what ive read that episode is

Spoiler: episode 1

the 90s, so what Karen is wearing is not reflective of modern day police uniform, that said dont think they wore stab vests in the 90s

 

[Captain Pike]

I liked Eccleston but found the writing was very often sub-par. Also, as in later seasons it was cheapened further by the gaudy pop-culture references, which I agree will date the show rather badly.

I always find comments like this bizarre.

*shrug* It's just an opinion. I don't find it particularly bizarre.

All "Doctor Who" ever made is dated. For that matter all television ever made is dated. How is something being part of the time it was made a bad thing?

I guess it all boils down to taste. How well we regard those things as time goes on. I think in general, things like 80's fashion and loud electronic music in JNT era stories has dated extremely badly. Other things not so much, and some are even endearing.

Opinion also changes. A couple of decades ago it was the 70's which was seen as the daggiest generation of recent times. Nowdays the sentiment is a little more discriminating in that many aspects of that generation are in vogue.

Who knows, in 40 years people may look back on things like Big Brother with affection. For me, personally, today, I cannot stomach most types of reality-tv and regard BB and it's ilk as the antithesis of good taste. Thus, seeing it in Doctor Who is a very grating experience for me.

Likewise, like many Australians who have grown up with her, I find listening to Kylie Minogue's pop songs about as pleasurable as sticking my wedding tackle in a meat grinder. In fact top 40 in general, imo, is nearly always just rubbish engineered for the masses with very little redeeming aspects to it. Though this was also true in the past to some degree, it became more and more so as radio shifted to a more commercial slant, MTV popularised the video generation (whereby acts were no longer regarded on their musical ability above all else) and as musical styles shifted away from actual instruments to their electronic equivalents and eventually to a computer bank. I'm not knocking all electronic music per se, just the formulaic stuff regularly pumped out on commercial radio.

Much like Big Brother, I find modern top 40 to be not just difficult to listen to, but the object of despair that such culturally retarding material has become palatable to many people. Having it shoe-horned into Doctor Who is a little like ordering a meal at an al a carte restaurant and receiving a McDonalds hamburger and fries.

Okay, you might say the McDonalds hamburger has it's own attractiveness - it's quick, it's cheap and to some palates it's very tasty. I contend it's still something out of place in a good restaurant though.

(And if you're talking "gaudy" pop-culture references the series has had them since 1965.)

Well, I can think of one (The Beatles) in The Chase, and even that was a poor choice IMO. It's not a particularly well regarded story to begin with, but that scene cheapens it considerably. Then, after that, there really isn't much comes to mind. Funny enough there is another Beatles reference during the Pertwee era (Jo Grant's "Coo coo kachu"during The Three Doctors) which while perhaps being slightly more acceptable is still something I think they could have left out. I'm sure given time I could think of more, but there really is nothing that stands out like the pop songs of RTD's era.

In the end though, it's all just a matter of taste. I understand why some people differ in their appreciation of such things, and I do not force mine as being the only right opinion. I guess many new fans are of a younger generation to whom such things are not anachronistic or out of place, but rather a welcome inclusion, and that's fine. Personally I pine for something which I define as greater, but that's just me.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

While the article provided some great new shots, it is only speculating that Amy is a cop based on those pictures rather than actually providing a source that confirms she's playing a cop. Only time will tell.

 

[tomalak301]

Damnit, this makes me want to see new Doctor Who now!

I know what you mean. It's been a while and the year with no Doctor Who (Save for a few specials) feels so empty. Looking forward to next year with a fresh start and perspective to the series.

 

[Starkers]

I liked Eccleston but found the writing was very often sub-par. Also, as in later seasons it was cheapened further by the gaudy pop-culture references, which I agree will date the show rather badly.

I always find comments like this bizarre.

*shrug* It's just an opinion. I don't find it particularly bizarre.

All "Doctor Who" ever made is dated. For that matter all television ever made is dated. How is something being part of the time it was made a bad thing?

I guess it all boils down to taste. How well we regard those things as time goes on. I think in general, things like 80's fashion and loud electronic music in JNT era stories has dated extremely badly. Other things not so much, and some are even endearing.

Opinion also changes. A couple of decades ago it was the 70's which was seen as the daggiest generation of recent times. Nowdays the sentiment is a little more discriminating in that many aspects of that generation are in vogue.

Who knows, in 40 years people may look back on things like Big Brother with affection. For me, personally, today, I cannot stomach most types of reality-tv and regard BB and it's ilk as the antithesis of good taste. Thus, seeing it in Doctor Who is a very grating experience for me.

Likewise, like many Australians who have grown up with her, I find listening to Kylie Minogue's pop songs about as pleasurable as sticking my wedding tackle in a meat grinder. In fact top 40 in general, imo, is nearly always just rubbish engineered for the masses with very little redeeming aspects to it. Though this was also true in the past to some degree, it became more and more so as radio shifted to a more commercial slant, MTV popularised the video generation (whereby acts were no longer regarded on their musical ability above all else) and as musical styles shifted away from actual instruments to their electronic equivalents and eventually to a computer bank. I'm not knocking all electronic music per se, just the formulaic stuff regularly pumped out on commercial radio.

Much like Big Brother, I find modern top 40 to be not just difficult to listen to, but the object of despair that such culturally retarding material has become palatable to many people. Having it shoe-horned into Doctor Who is a little like ordering a meal at an al a carte restaurant and receiving a McDonalds hamburger and fries.

Okay, you might say the McDonalds hamburger has it's own attractiveness - it's quick, it's cheap and to some palates it's very tasty. I contend it's still something out of place in a good restaurant though.

(And if you're talking "gaudy" pop-culture references the series has had them since 1965.)

Well, I can think of one (The Beatles) in The Chase, and even that was a poor choice IMO. It's not a particularly well regarded story to begin with, but that scene cheapens it considerably. Then, after that, there really isn't much comes to mind. Funny enough there is another Beatles reference during the Pertwee era (Jo Grant's "Coo coo kachu"during The Three Doctors) which while perhaps being slightly more acceptable is still something I think they could have left out. I'm sure given time I could think of more, but there really is nothing that stands out like the pop songs of RTD's era.

In the end though, it's all just a matter of taste. I understand why some people differ in their appreciation of such things, and I do not force mine as being the only right opinion. I guess many new fans are of a younger generation to whom such things are not anachronistic or out of place, but rather a welcome inclusion, and that's fine. Personally I pine for something which I define as greater, but that's just me.

Just to chime in with my tuppence worth...

I think the difference between classic and Nu Who with regards pop culture references is that in Classic Who the references, when made, revolved around the time the Doctor was set in (ie the 70s for Pertwee) The big difference I think is that when Classic Who did aliens or the future, it didn't try and insert the pop culture references there. I don't have a problem with Who in 2006 reflecting 2006, it's when they try to make 2566 look like 2006 that I think problems might occur later.

 

[Classic Fan]

He He Heeeee.

I love the doctor being seen in his previous regens clothes, makes it more, i dunno. Cool.

Im surprised that a few more photos havnt surfaced during filming. And wheres the damn coat, The Tenth Doctor cant leave without his coat, hell get cold.


Annette Crosby, nice one, Beeb. Maybe she and Dr. Constantine were an item back in the war.