Paramount/JJ trying another Trek movie (that will probably never get made).

[Ray Hardgrit]

The Carol Marcus scene stood out in comparison to all the other moments of people in their underwear, because the scene was ridiculous. She told Kirk to come into a shuttle with her, started stripping off, and then he turned around and stared at her. It didn't make either character look good, it didn't seem like something anyone would do in real life, and it was obviously transparently there just so they could film Alice Eve in her underwear. It's kind of cringy.

If it'd been put into a context that made sense a lot of people would've just accepted it. Like Kirk's in bed with undressed alien twins at the start of the film, but it makes sense there because they're in bed. Vina doing a sexy dance as an Orion slave girl in The Cage also makes 100% sense because the entire plot of the episode is about her trying to seduce Pike into staying with her.

 

[fireproof78]

it didn't seem like something anyone would do in real life

My real life was very different.

Vina doing a sexy dance as an Orion slave girl in The Cage also makes 100% sense because the entire plot of the episode is about her trying to seduce Pike into staying with her.

Eh...that made less sense to me. That scene always stood out to me as extremely ridiculous.

 

[F. King Daniel]

She told Kirk to come into a shuttle with her, started stripping off, and then he turned around and stared at her. It didn't make either character look good, it didn't seem like something anyone would do in real life

Ummmmmm... I guess everyone's real life is different but I guess I've been blessed in a way.

Ahem.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Hey if she'd ducked into the shuttle with him and started stripping off for real life reasons, that would've made more sense!

 

[dupersuper]

Then you should probably watch Into Darkness again

What have I ever done to you to deserve such a punishment?

 

[The Wormhole]

The real oddity about Carol stripping down to her undies is that those flightsuits are meant to be worn over the uniforms anyway. Indeed, there's a panel on them that shows the uniform underneath, and at that start of the movie during the Nibiru mission, those wearing the flightsuits have the wetsuits that were worn for that mission visible in that panel. So Carol had no reason whatsoever to strip in that scene since she could have just put that flightsuit on over her uniform.

But, the scene's only true purpose is to be gratuitous T&A for the commercials. Which I guess it succeeded at.

 

[fireproof78]

And skipped just as easily.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I don't mind them because Star Trek did this back in the sixties, episodes such as "Shore Leave", "Wolf in the Fold" or even "Mirror, Mirror" and these elements are part of the franchise. Seems men were more offended by those JJTrek comedic sequences than women. The criticism of Alice Eve underwear scene reminded me of my ex-boyfriend and I were watching "Robocop" there was a scene where Murphy was simply walking in the Police locker room where fellow officers were getting ready for duty. The EX went all crazy about seeing women were in the same locker room undressing and putting on their uniforms as men were beside them doing the same thing. I didn't even noticed it until he drew so much attention to it and claimed he was appalled; I thought the scene passed by fluently and didn't draw anything to go nuts about I mean, Princess Leia was in a slave outfit and it wasn't really necessary for the character to be seen that way but that was the artists' intent and I have no problem with that. There are tons of times I saw men take off their clothes for scenes and they had zero motivation but it was there to relieve the tension of a scene and I didn't make a fuss about it. Meh... oh well, now every scene that shows a woman's skin has to make sense.

Can't present art anymore without being offensive, with this kind of bullsh*t every movie will be as sterile as Disney/Marvel product. Very safe, and pedestrian flicks where the only soul the movies have are the trends the studios desperately chases after. Probably why I enjoy tv shows more than movies because the auteurs can't create art anymore just what's safe and clean. Star Trek was never safe... it boldly go. Now I can understand why we got the crap called Star Trek Beyond, it was as lame as a religious film, formulaic and corny.

No.

Emphasis on the en and oh.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Hey if she'd ducked into the shuttle with him and started stripping off for real life reasons, that would've made more sense!

Of course. Like, hey Captain, I have a mole on my body, can you find it???

 

[DaveyNY]

"Titillation" has been the bread & butter of Hollywood since almost its inception.
I fail to see why anybody would be surprised or offended at this point, beyond their own puritan ideals.
Don't like it, skip over it or don't watch, it's that simple.
But to expect it to change just ignores the built-in human fascination with our own bodies and sexuality.
It's a silly and unreasonable expectation.

 

[137th Gebirg]

100% agree.

 

[fireproof78]

beyond their own puritan ideals.

I have these ideals. I just ignore what I find annoying. Being offended takes too much effort.

 

[DaveyNY]

Heh .. "Being Offended" is also the "Bread & Butter" for some people, but I highly doubt those kinda folk actually spend much of their time reading the Trek BBS.

 

[jackoverfull]

"Titillation" has been the bread & butter of Hollywood since almost its inception.
I fail to see why anybody would be surprised or offended at this point, beyond their own puritan ideals.
Don't like it, skip over it or don't watch, it's that simple.
But to expect it to change just ignores the built-in human fascination with our own bodies and sexuality.
It's a silly and unreasonable expectation.

I *don’t* have those so called ideals, I just find that basically anything can be done with the right context and this particular scene was incredibly out of place and dumb in that context. Take the infamous shower scene in Starship Troopers: that could be titillating (it certainly was to me the only time I saw it, as a horny teenager) but made perfect sense in the context of the movie and told you something about the organisation it portrayed.

back to the Abrams Star Trek, the scene with Kirk and the Orion girl in the first movie got a lot less flack even if her attire was totally analogous to Carol’s bikini, as it made sense in that context.

 

[fireproof78]

The Uhura part was more annoying and ignored.

 

[The Wormhole]

I echo the sentiments about context. After all, the flightsuit is supposed to be worn over the uniform, so why did Carol strip down to her underwear when she had to put her flightsuit on? People don't strip to their underwear when they put their coats on after all.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Carol was wearing the one-piece dress version of the uniform, so it's reasonable that she'd have to remove that in order to put the flight-suit on (with a replacement coloured mid-layer) so the "briefs" are kinda justified. However, there is supposed to be a turtle-neck under the coloured shirt which would not need to be removed so showed off the bra is still odd.

 

[STEPhon IT]

"Titillation" has been the bread & butter of Hollywood since almost its inception.
I fail to see why anybody would be surprised or offended at this point, beyond their own puritan ideals.
Don't like it, skip over it or don't watch, it's that simple.
But to expect it to change just ignores the built-in human fascination with our own bodies and sexuality.
It's a silly and unreasonable expectation.

Thank you.

 

[fireproof78]

I echo the sentiments about context. After all, the flightsuit is supposed to be worn over the uniform, so why did Carol strip down to her underwear when she had to put her flightsuit on? People don't strip to their underwear when they put their coats on after all.

Not that I would justify the scene because it is gratuitous but I would imagine that the miniskirt under the flight suit may not be comfortable for the bending and squatting Carol would be doing given that the skirt would have to hike up around her waist to fit comfortably.

Again, stupid scene, should be deleted. But, it does show Kirk's character growth at the end.

 

[Falconer]

Titillation is tricky business. I could blissfully watch Andrea, Marlena Moreau, and Carolyn Palamas all day, and they’re hot beyond belief. Yet I’m uncomfortable with Ruth and Magda, for some reason. The script, the performance, the direction, I dunno, if it falls flat it falls flat and the viewer feels dirty. It doesn’t make me a puritan. I don’t blame STID for trying to be sexy, it just, blech, doesn’t work so it’s cringey. It probably depends on the viewer to some degree.