P/C run amok...
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Yowza indeed! I got the feeling that it was in The Big Goodbye that they came closest to developing a romantic relationship the normal way. That trip to the holodeck together really was a "stealth date" (something I have experienced in real life, incidentally!). If Data and Whalen hadn't accompanied them to Dixon Hill's office, who knows what would have happened? [Hint: I believe it would have involved the desk!Posted by kozara:
Yowza! "Do you think it would cause a complete breakdown of discipline if the chief medical officer kissed a starship captain in the middle of a staff briefing?"
"Let's try."
]It was not nearly forgotten at that point. There was a previous important P/C episode from season three, but for that, you'll have to wait until I get to season three!
Fantastic!
I don't know; it is really bizarre, but at least it's good to know that his relationship with Anij was downplayed too. I suppose they were afraid that too much sex/romance would take away from ActionPicard, but I don't see why. James Bond managed it, after all.
Generations would indeed have been the perfect time to introduce something if they had been minded to do it. First Contact was just too dark, and after that, tying up both P/C and R/T at the same time would have looked a bit too neat.
We have no reason to believe that he didn't share quite a bit. Beverly's surprise in that scene seems solely related to the duets, and who Picard has chosen to play them with. I'd be inclined to say that she just isn't a musician. We hear her humming in Cause and Effect, and while she doesn't have an awful voice, it's not exactly performance-worthy. Besides which, speaking as a musician myself, playing a duet with another instrumentalist is very different, and a lot easier, than accompanying a singer. This is simply an aspect of Picard's life that Beverly can't share, and that's why that scene in sickbay upsets her.
And now, on with the thread!
The beginner's guide to P/C, part two:
Datalore:
He sends her off the bridge! Apologies in order later, I think...
The Arsenal of Freedom:
Here we have a classic hurt/comfort scenario in the making
Does anything happen? No.
Bev looks disappointed.
We'll Always Have Paris:
Spotting the old flame
This look reminds me of the one she gives him in "Qpid"
Yet she tells Troi she doesn't want to talk about it
"I can't compete with a ghost from his past"
The Neutral Zone:
They have some fantastic arguments in season one!
I agree that the TBG is the only episode where we get mutual looks of recognition. It's usually one-sided.
If we ignore Naked Now and Attached for the moment the first season is about Bev chasing Picard whilst he is only dimly aware of it. TBG being about the only episode where Picard acknowledges any sort of attraction in those 2 looks. Of course Attached would have us believe that actually he was desperately in love with her during this time, but I don't think this is apparent from the episodes. So either it's a Changed Premise bolted on with the effect of shafting what went before or someone really should have told Patrick Stewart that that's what his character is supposed to be doing.
I think that the Premise was there a little bit more than you recognise. His long looks at her in Encounter at Farpoint have a certain something to them. His attraction to her is mentioned in the two first novels, and I don't think that would have been included unless it was the intention of the creators. "Desperately in love" I agree he is not. Interested in her, I maintain that he is. But I suspect that this is one of those things about which we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Anyway, on with the show...
The beginner's guide to P/C, part three:
Evolution:
She goes to ask his advice about Wesley
The beginning of their new, more "friendly", relationship
The High Ground:
Two hostages! On the same bed!
Don't even try to tell me he's not jealous of Finn's artistic ability
"There's something I've been meaning to tell you..."
Allegiance:
A wicked look
*thinks* "He's asked me to dinner...what shall I wear?"
Like "Attached" only with better lighting...
And again, don't tell me this woman isn't flirting like mad!
Saving the last dance
5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
And we have lift-off!
And then it all goes up in flames
She definitely wanted to stay.
*thinks* "Maybe the real one will ask me out too..."
Captain's Holiday:
The aforementioned desk sitting scene
Sarek:
Such a poignant scene on so many levels
It's right that she should be the one to comfort him. This is not in her role as CMO.
Best of Both Worlds, Part One:
Beverly sees Locutus
As Riker prepares to fire...
^ Ah, Evolution. A Turning Point indeed. He actually gets to sit on his own desk.
Anyway. We agree on a basic attraction. Hardly much point me posting in this thread otherwise, it's just the level of interest he shows in her we disagree on, plus any interest he has is forward looking rather than based on some guilty past envying Jack.
I wonder if our differences stem from the fact that we are approaching this from our different trek-characters?
Anyway. We agree on a basic attraction. Hardly much point me posting in this thread otherwise, it's just the level of interest he shows in her we disagree on, plus any interest he has is forward looking rather than based on some guilty past envying Jack.
I wonder if our differences stem from the fact that we are approaching this from our different trek-characters?
Wow! What keen powers of observation! The only question is... what does this symbolize for their relationship?Posted by mon capitaine:
^ Ah, Evolution. A Turning Point indeed. He actually gets to sit on his own desk.
I think there's a sense in which that's true, but it also stems from the fact that we have different views of the developments that took place during the course of the series. You tend to favour the more aloof season one Picard, whereas I like him better once he's mellowed out a little bit. And I think Beverly's better once she's not chasing him quite so overtly. But this is just taste rather than anything concrete...
BTW, what's she up to at the end of allegiance then? We've seen them dance,kiss and then he throws her out. She tells Riker that it was a 'most unusual evening' - fair comment. But her last scene seems a bit odd. She flounces onto the bridge and acts all coy with Picard. Is she attempting to continue the flirting from her 'unusual evening' or does she know the real one has returned and is just winding him up? If the latter, how the hell does she know? They've only just been swapped back and she wasn't on the bridge at the time. So to me this opens up the suggestion that she's just one wild flirt. 
Hmmm... the script for that scene only says that "their eyes meet". So any flirtiness (and I agree there's quite a bit) would have had to be added by the director or by Gates. When watching it, I always thought that it was intended to be Beverly winding up the real Jean-Luc. That's flirty enough for me. But I agree that there's actually no explanation for how she knows he's been replaced. Sloppiness.
I think that events on the Bridge can be monitored from Sickbay; I seem to remember Pulaski saying that once.
^ Yes, but's a bit rich when we have to deduce this things for ourselves. Personally I'd prefer to think Crusher may spend her time tending to the sick rather than spying on the bridge on the offchance something interesting may happen...
Perhaps she's got addicted to it, like a reality TV programme? More seriously, perhaps she tunes in when there's a Yellow Alert?
Back to The Big Goodbye and this stealth date then. After his little proposal that Bev joins him onthe holodeck, Picard pretty quickly starts inviting lots of other people. Is this because he never saw it as a date or because he did, panicked and immediately backed off?
It's entirely plausible - particularly as I've been in a similar situation myself - and it contributes to the humanization of Picard which takes shape as the season progresses.
I agree. Picard, for all his poise when it comes to matters of diplomacy, does tend to panic when it comes to women. After all, look what happened with Jenice. It's also true that, if it was a "stealth date," Beverly engineered it herself, which would surely make Picard even more ambivalent than if it had been entirely his own idea.
Well just to be awkward, I'm going to say that it was always his intention to invite Whalen. If it was panic, he's more likely to invite the whole command staff so as to not show favouritism.
Anyway, he only panics with women when the relationships look like getting serious.
Anyway, he only panics with women when the relationships look like getting serious.
Whether or not his intention was to ask her out, I would say that his worry was about being seen to be having an improper relationship with a member of his senior staff. Granted, in later seasons they had breakfast together all the time, but I would still think that the appearance of "fraternizing" with his subordinates would be of concern to first-season Picard.
OK I was thinking, do we have anything like a good reason for Crusher's departure after season one? I'm not talking about the actress here, I mean why oh why would Bev leave the Enterprise? Was her simpering after Picard merely an excuse to get on board his ship, dump off Wesley and then make a run for it?
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