Are you wildly switching the items under discussion around in a desperate attempt to seem right?
Because that's what this reads like.
Others should have elegant Arrowhead-like designs
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Are you wildly switching the items under discussion around in a desperate attempt to seem right?
Because that's what this reads like.
Because the writers don't have to write out Federation Naval Patrol or Federation Archaeology Council or whatever as often as they have to write Starfleet. There's no necessity to create a simpler name.
It's been eighteen years since we heard about the Naval Patrol and twenty-six years since we heard about the Archaeology Council and this is the first complaint I've ever seen about either. So, while you might have appreciated this "creativity" it appears the rest of fandom doesn't care as they don't seem to have given the matter a second thought for the past quarter century. And among Star Trek fans, that's saying something.
Are you being argumentative because you're missing the point?
That's just silly. Starfleet isn't Starfleet because of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. It's Starfleet because that's better than The United Federation of Planets Interstellar Exploration and Defense Organization (or UFPIEDO).
First of all, I care?
Second, this may be the first time you've seen/remembered, but it's certainly not the first time I have.
Third, the point is one of creative decision making. The brilliance of Starfleet was not considered here, and it shows in other places as well.
Fourth, maybe we'd have seen more of both if they were more interestingly presented. A scientist from the Naval Patrol could have been a guest star in an episode about underwater aliens or something. If there were more interesting co-organizations out there, they'd have found more stories for them. The Department of Temporal Investigations has a series of dense fun novels after them. The Archeological Council could have had a 24th Century Indiana Jones.
Finally, people, you don't have to reply to threads if you're not interested in the material.
No? Why else did they decide to go with Starfleet after already calling the organization the United Earth Space Probe Agency? Hell, getting the actors to say "Starfleet" probably turned out to be easier than telling them how to pronounce "UESPA."
Very few Star Trek episodes have been featured underwater aliens, and the Federation Naval Patrol was established in one of the last ones it could have been featured in, and even that wasn't possible given it was a Voyager episode and you have the whole nagging problem of them being stranded in the Delta Quadrant.
Isn't that more or less Vash?
I can't tell if you're trolling or bored.
Because it sounds marble-mouthed and "You Spa" sounds like a feminine-hygiene brand.
If it were more intriguing, VOY had two seasons still to do something with it. And ENT is the 24th C. in the 22nd -- they'd have brought over some version of it. There's also the books and games.
"Captains Holiday" was a great episode, but they made her Maid Marian instead of Marian Ravenwood in her next appearance. She and Crusher should have been sword-fighting like the boys in that episode, but were relegated to being damsels and dropping clay pots on enemy soldiers' heads.
They tried a few different ideas before going with Starfleet. I think Ex Astris Scientia or someplace did an article on different possibilities...wasn't one Space Central, or something? Once they went with the short but descriptive Starfleet, or rather, and especially after decades of its success, that should have been the precedent-setter.
EDIT: A good episode(s) to have featured the Federation archeological body could have been "Gambit." Imagine Indiana Picard off on another adventure a la "Captain's Holiday" for the Archeological Council or something, leading to his eventual rescue by the Enterprise. "The Chase" could have included them as baddies trying to thwart Prof. Galen maybe?
Or it could have shown up on DS9 as discoveries were being made in the GQ. Later on in the Dominion Iconian episode too. On VOY, maybe one of the Maquis was previously AC or one of the Starfleeters? Maybe Season 6 included a Paris holonovel with him in the Naval Patrol that turns into 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea...though they kind of did that Season 4 with "Year of Hell."
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My "contention" is that 1) if you're going to come up with other agencies, you should try to come up with something interesting and maybe draw from what's worked spectacularly before, and 2) if you're going to set a show in the future, you should try to come up with futuristic designs.
I have tried to add some, I think, interesting ideas of how some of that would go down. Do you have some that you'd like to offer?
I think that was a symbol for the Federation, not Starfleet.
It's times like these that make me wish there was a double "like" button.
No, this was the Federation's logo in the 23rd century. It was seen in And the Children Shall Lead.
No "brownie" points. I'll get you a moist towelette for your nose.
Yeah, that's more exciting stuff right there, eh, everyone? Phooh...imma need a minute. Another example of zzzzzzzzzzz...sorry, what was I saying?
DM me, I can give you the name of a great optometrist.
Dungeon Master?
Enough with the snarkiness. You complain about other people "trolling" but you're the one being hostile.
Dial it back, please.
Wow, ENT is good at this. I thought of another one.
The Vulcan Science Directorate.
(When it comes to the possibility of Humano Vulcan interbreeding....they're more likely to believe in time travel...)
Starfleet symbol was only and solely the arrowhead then.
The "boomerang" was the symbol for the Federation, similar to the national flag flown on navy ships. Even though the navy has it's own symbol.
