Other Ships Snagged by the Caretaker

[MarkusTay]

The English word 'Liberty' is translated to 'Val jean' in Bajoran/Klingon/take your pick. That's an easy fix.

I have found two (perhaps three ) species that have been seen in both the Alpha/Beta Quadrants (can we just agree to call that 'Known Space'?), and in the Delta Quadrant. I meant to write down the ones I found in my notes, but I had a mishap and didn't get to do that timely. So last night I went looking for them again, trying to retrace my steps, and I was able to find one. Unfortunately, it was unnamed species in both DS9 and Voyager. They are known in the DS9 listing of 'unknown species' as the "Pink-Skinned Bald Alien". There was at least one other I had found, and that was actually named in both DS9/Voy wiki entries, but I haven't located again (yet). The Pink-Skinned ones were seen in a few places on Bahrat's space depot in Voyager, so they apparently like space stations. Now, you could say that it was just a re-use of resources from other shows, buuuut... Voyager went out of its way to NOT do that. There were dozens of 'background species' invented just for DS9, and it seems only that one was reused... why? I think that species would make a most excellent candidate for a 'Known Space' species to be trying to find their way back home after the caretaker did his abduction thing. Of course, that begs the question - why weren't they then approaching the Voyager crew to work together? And the answer to that might be something more insidious - they weren't abducted. They known of a wormhole and travel to the Delta Quadrant all the time.

Can you imagine? Within the first 2-3 years, Janeway and Co. were basically rubbing elbows with a species who could have gotten them home easily, but just never recognized the other species for who they were.

 

[Tracy Trek]

It happened a few years before Voyager, so if the Hera had chosen to head home, they'd be too far ahead of Voyager for the two to cross paths.

I don't think it was a few years, just a little over one year.

The Caretaker caught two ships from the Badlands, which really is statistical suggestion that this is the only place in Alpha where he would have done any catching (Neelix speaks of just fifty-ish sad stories of abduction in total).

But is anything ever said it had to be from the Badlands or a similar anomaly?

The Hera disappeared roughly a year and 1/3 before Voyager got taken, so there is still enough distance of time between the two for them to never meet.

Didn't the Equinox take a different route and encountered an enemy that Voyager's crew had never heard of?

The Vidiians, though... if they did encounter the Hera, it would certainly explain why one of the Vidiians in "DEADLOCK" was able to identify Tuvok as Vulcan when he scanned his body after he shot him.

That makes sense, since the Hera's crew was supposed to have many Vulcan crew. Maybe if the Hera did end up being a Caretaker abductee, they were captured by the Vidiians.

 

[Lynx]

I don't think it was a few years, just a little over one year.

But is anything ever said it had to be from the Badlands or a similar anomaly?

Didn't the Equinox take a different route and encountered an enemy that Voyager's crew had never heard of?

That makes sense, since the Hera's crew was supposed to have many Vulcan crew. Maybe if the Hera did end up being a Caretaker abductee, they were captured by the Vidiians.

That seems like a very realistic therory.

I must also point out that I'm just re-reading the very good book The Garden by Melissa Scott and notice that I had forgotten to mention Thilo Revek whose Maquis ship was abducted by The Caretaker. revek later ended up on a mysterious planet inhabited by the Kirse.

The Voyager crew is affected by scurvy, due to bad food which was brought up to the ship on another planet. While searching for new food sources, Voyager finds the Kirse planet.

Due to my calculations, the event in the story takes place between the TV episodes Cold Fire and Maneuvers.

Spoiler: Thilo Revek

When Voyager arrive to the planet, they enter a big citadel on the obviously abandomnd planet which is rich of vegetables which Voyager is in need of due to the scurvy. They meet the Kirse leader Adamant and some other Kirse plus a human, Thilo Revek who tells them that he is a Maquis whose test ship in which he tested computer innovations was abducted by The Caretaker about two years before Voyager was abducted and brought to the Delta Quadrant. When Revek arrived to the Kirse planet, he arrived at a point when the Kirse's enemies, the Andirrim were attacking the palnet and his ship was shot down. He was injured but had stayed with the Kirse since then.

The Kirse seem friendly and an agreement about food in exchange for some asistance with the Kirse transporter which Revek has been involved in developing is made. However, there are some mysteries here and there which bother Janeway and her officers

When the Andirrim attack the planet again to steal food resources and Voyager is attacked too, Janeway and her crew side with the Kirse and help them to defeat the Andirrim. However, the mysteries are deepening when a female Kirse pilot which Tom Paris has become friend with is killed and the autopsy made by The Doctor shows that she's basically a copy of a copy of a copy and actually shouldn't have been alive at all. Faced by Janeway's question the Kirse leader Adamant reveals the truth, that all Kirse is basiically the same being who can duplicate itself many times when necessary and then revert back to normal again. The Citadel in which the Kirse live is basically a sort of "turtle's shell" for the strange being.

When Voyager is about to leave, Janeway ask Revek if he wants to come along but he refuses. He is happy with his life on the planet.

So what we have now are the following abductions:

Thilo Revek's Maquis ship on which he was the only crewmember which was abducted "about three years before Voyager arrived to the Kirse planet", most likely in early 2369

The USS Hera, commanded by Captain Silva LaForge which was abducted at Stardate 47941.7 (Friday 20 March 2370)

The Maquis ship Lynx, commanded by Maquis "Supreme Commander" Bohumíl Novák which was abducted by The Caretaker shortly after the events in the TNG episode Preemptive Strike which took place at Stardate 47941.7 (Thursday 10 December 2370)

The USS Equinox, commanded by Captain Rudolph Ransom which was abducted in early 2371.

The Maquis ship Val Jean (or Liberty) commanded by Chakotay which was abducted some weeks before Voyager, most likely in early April 2371

The USS Voyager which was commanded by Captain Kathryn Janeway which was abducted by The Caretaker at Stardate 48308.2 (Friday 23 April 2371).

A nice little collection from Federation space in the Alpha Quadrant!

 

[publiusr]

It helps to explain why you see a lot of ships seen from TNG out there.

 

[MarkusTay]

Okay, I found one of the 'other two' I was looking for, that I mentioned above...

The Rotciv are a species found all over the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, as well as the Delta Quadrant! They were regulars at DS9, and some are seen in several episodes of Voyager! That means they either have a means of getting around fairly quickly in the Galaxy (wormholes, transwarp, magical tree-root drives, whatever), or they have spread this far as a species, OR a LOT of them have been kidnapped by the Caretaker.

 

[Dukhat]

All that is to be found in the stories Coming Home and Strange Dreams which can be found on The Kes Website.

Fanfic doesn't count.

So what we have now are the following abductions:

Thilo Revek's Maquis ship on which he was the only crewmember which was abducted "about three years before Voyager arrived to the Kirse planet", most likely in early 2369

The USS Hera, commanded by Captain Silva LaForge which was abducted at Stardate 47941.7 (Friday 20 March 2370)

The Maquis ship Lynx, commanded by Maquis "Supreme Commander" Bohumíl Novák which was abducted by The Caretaker shortly after the events in the TNG episode Preemptive Strike which took place at Stardate 47941.7 (Thursday 10 December 2370)

The USS Equinox, commanded by Captain Rudolph Ransom which was abducted in early 2371.

The Maquis ship Val Jean (or Liberty) commanded by Chakotay which was abducted some weeks before Voyager, most likely in early April 2371

The USS Voyager which was commanded by Captain Kathryn Janeway which was abducted by The Caretaker at Stardate 48308.2 (Friday 23 April 2371).

A nice little collection from Federation space in the Alpha Quadrant!

The only canon Caretaker abductions are Voyager, the Val Jean, and the Equinox. The rest are just unproven speculation or moot fanfic.

 

[Lynx]

Fanfic doesn't count.



The only canon Caretaker abductions are Voyager, the Val Jean, and the Equinox. The rest are just unproven speculation or moot fanfic.

Ah, come on now! Don't be so boring.
My suggestions are excellent!

 

[Dukhat]

Whether your suggestions are excellent or not isn’t really relevant to the topic.

 

[E-DUB]

That would be an entry into the "How would you change Voyager thread." Maybe an alien ship or two as well.

 

[Lynx]

Whether your suggestions are excellent or not isn’t really relevant to the topic.

Oh yes, they are.

Because my suggestions gives more depth to the whole Voyager story and also explains many often discussed mysteries and contrdictions without messing up any "canon" or ongoing plot in the story.

Instead, they are logical explanations to theories about events which have been debated for a long time.

My suggetstions and stories are well-thought and realistic compared to Bernan's and Braga's messed up stuff which are full of contradictions.

 

[Dukhat]

Oh yes, they are.

Because my suggestions gives more depth to the whole Voyager story and also explains many often discussed mysteries and contrdictions without messing up any "canon" or ongoing plot in the story.

Instead, they are logical explanations to theories about events which have been debated for a long time.

My suggetstions and stories are well-thought and realistic compared to Bernan's and Braga's messed up stuff which are full of contradictions.

Sorry, I'm still not convinced about how fanfic is relevant to the topic. By your logic, I could write a story right now on my computer about fifty ships snagged by the Caretaker, and it would hold no more weight than your fanfic and would have no bearing whatsoever on what the OP is asking. Then again, for all I know the OP could care less.

 

[Lynx]

Sorry, I'm still not convinced about how fanfic is relevant to the topic. By your logic, I could write a story right now on my computer about fifty ships snagged by the Caretaker, and it would hold no more weight than your fanfic and would have no bearing whatsoever on what the OP is asking. Then again, for all I know the OP could care less.

To be honest, I don't think we should be total slaves to "canon".
If we are, then time stops after "Endgame" and Voyager and its crew simply cease to exist.

Personally I have nothing against books and some fan fiction as long as it doesn't contradict or ruin established facts and events in the series-which my suggestions don't do.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Likely the reason why the Maquis ship is called Val Jean is because Eddington named it...

I rather doubt that any of Chakotay's people ever worked with Eddington. They seemed totally different.

At least Chakotay and his crew actually believed in what they were doing (well, apart from Lon Suder, who only joined for the sport of killing). Eddington was all about himself. I find it very likely that Chakotay would have despised Eddington and considered him a threat to the cause.

 

[Farscape One]

What I mean is that Eddington probably was the one who appropriated that ship for the Maquis, so he got the right to name it. When it was retrofitted, it was given to Chakotay to command.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What I mean is that Eddington probably was the one who appropriated that ship for the Maquis, so he got the right to name it. When it was retrofitted, it was given to Chakotay to command.

It is possible that Chakotay also had an affinity for Les Mis, but the difference is, he didn't personally see HIMSELF as Jean Valjean the way Eddington did.

 

[Farscape One]

Very true. He probably didn't like Eddington if he ever met him.