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Orphan Black - Season 2 Discussion

If his parents were idiots as well, maybe he was named after their favourite Ninja Turtle?

So "Donald" may not be an option.
 
Didn't they imply that he was some kind of former military special forces guy last season though, with the hidden cache of personal information from before the marriage? If he's just a bumbling idiot, I don't get what that whole storyline was about.


^Donnie? I think you're thinking of Paul. We really don't know anything about Donnie. Orphan Black Wiki about Donnie
I distinctly remember him having a lockbox that Allison tried to get into, that after he realized she tried to break into, he replaced it with porn and later burned the contents (which was implied to be information on his past life) on a hill while talking all special forces-like on a burner phone. That's not a bumbling idiot kind of thing to do.

The wiki even makes mention of it.
 
^Maybe all that was in the box was Donny's porn collection after all. I was expecting that his doofus personality was an act that he was just totally committed to, but after this episode, it's starting to look like Donny really is a doofus despite being a monitor.
 
No, there were papers that he burned; presumably, he took the papers out and burned them and then put the porn in as a decoy. But that hardly is a military thing to do. I think it's pretty clear he really is just a bumbling idiot who takes orders from Leaky. Maybe he really did love her and marry her honestly but at some point, ended up becoming her monitor. Or, since they were high-school sweethearts, maybe it was a sham right from the start. Who knows? I feel sorry for Alison. I don't know how someone would recover from that level of betrayal. I imagine she is going to explode in a rather spectacular fashion.
 
Well I'm all caught up again. Last week I purchased season 1 and ran through it for the second time since first run. Then I continued on with a second viewing of the two episodes from Season 2. I'm almost tempted to go back and give it another run through...though I may hold off and do that after the season is finished.

What strikes me about Season 2, is how well it picks up from the finale of Season 1. The first episode almost feels like an eleventh episode of the first season rather than the start of a new one.

Episode 2 is actually the one that feels more distinct from season 1. With the first season we got an urban setting. With Felix's loft, the Neolution club, basically everything was in the city and the color pallete was a lot of greys. Now with this episode we got a rural setting with Mrs. S's hideout for Kira and the Proletheian farm. The whole episode is just full of color in contrast to anything we saw in season 1...and I'm willing to bet this was done on purpose.

And incidentally, my favorite scene from the second episode is still the Rachel/Cosima confrontation.
 
We never learned what was in the box. Not sure how talking on a phone can be "special forces like".
It was a combination of things, like holding up against the torture, realizing that the box was discovered and cleverly replacing its contents with porn and confronting her with it to spin it in his favor, etc. None of which is anything what the bumbling boob from this episode would have been able to do.
 
That's a good point, about the torture I mean. He stood up to it pretty well, I certainly would have cracked...hell I might have told her everything the second I saw the glue gun :p
 
She was either going to stop torturing and apologize...

Or she was going to stop torturing and kill him.

Donnie knows that his wife is banana pants crazy.
 
We saw her #### Flash Gordon in the front seat of a parked car in season one.

Everyone seemed to enjoy themselves?

And besides, did you see Allison clean Felix's toilet?

Those are transferable skills.
 
Just a heads-up for UK viewers that season 2 starts here on Wednesday night. Thank fuck we don't have to wait six months this year...
 
I suppose it could be based on the assumption that scientists are socially naive and nerdy, which isn't totally without merit but is an excessive generalization. But a lot of fiction blows it up into this bizarre prejudice that scientists are somehow more blinded to truth than everyone else, even though science is in reality the most powerful tool for devising truth ever conceived, since it's about actually finding out how things work rather than just taking things on faith.

The reality is some scientists have a lot of faith in their intelligence in the same way some religious people have faith in their own righteousness. For Christians, at least, they are are explicitly told in the bible NOT to do so -- but being human, trust in themselves rather than what is bigger than their imperfect humanness.

Also, scientists, like humans in other arenas, can get obsessed about something they relieve believe in, and will have an imbalanced view of other aspects in life.
 
^Sure, people in any field can make those kinds of mistakes. But that doesn't make it right to say they act that way because they're scientists -- because people who think that way are approaching science wrong. What I object to is the prejudiced assumption that any scientist will automatically have such blinders on. It's no better than any other stereotype of an entire category of human beings.
 
^Sure, people in any field can make those kinds of mistakes. But that doesn't make it right to say they act that way because they're scientists -- because people who think that way are approaching science wrong. What I object to is the prejudiced assumption that any scientist will automatically have such blinders on. It's no better than any other stereotype of an entire category of human beings.

In Cosima's case... i wonder if this is the nature vs. nurture thing.

Apparently, with Orphan Black, sexuality is NOT something you are born with (as they are all clones, with little variation). But being intense/passionate (rather than an even handedness like May is portrayed in Agents of Shield) seems to be a common trait of the clones.

However, each of the clones seem to be intense in whatever circumstance they are in, and therefore blind in other areas. So for example, Alison is the intense suburban housewife that can't deal well with the craziness that Sarah can adapt too.

Helena -- well there are other factors at play, but it's made her intense rather than extremely introverted.

beth -- i think i need to rewatch...but her intensity resulted in suicide, form what i see.
 
Apparently, with Orphan Black, sexuality is NOT something you are born with (as they are all clones, with little variation).

In fact, science suggests that sexual orientation is determined, not by genes, but by developmental conditions in the womb, such as the ratio of sex hormones that the developing fetus is exposed to. So it is something you're born with, but what we're born with is shaped by far more than just our DNA. In recent years, we've begun to discover the importance of epigenetic factors in determining how our genes are expressed. The DNA is the basic set of instructions, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum; it's surrounded by all sorts of proteins and enzymes and stuff that mold it into a certain shape, make some of its genes more accessible and shunt others into the background, etc. So a single set of genes can be modified in a variety of different ways by epigenetic factors. There has been dialogue in Orphan Black about epigenetics as a factor in the diversity among the clones.


But being intense/passionate (rather than an even handedness like May is portrayed in Agents of Shield) seems to be a common trait of the clones.

I hesitate to generalize like that, precisely because it is overly simplistic to assume that DNA alone dictates everything about a person. Behavior is also something that can be shaped by developmental factors before and after birth, such as the extent to which the development of certain structures or connections within the brain are encouraged or inhibited, not to mention the conditions of a person's upbringing.

So far, Rachel seems like a very cool and controlled individual. And Cosima seems much more laid back than Sarah or Allison (though maybe that's a function of her marijuana use).
 
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