Original series warp 10 Vs Voyager warp 10

[MAGolding]

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...Because Kirk and Spock already had to play horse and tap-dance-next-to-my-head in another episode XD[/QUOTE]

The fizzbin episode "A Piece of the Action" was before the episode "Plato"s Stepchildren" according to production order and airdate order.

Memory Alpha lists "A Piece of the Action" as being filmed 50th, from 2 November to,9 november 1967, and "Plato's Stepchildren" as being filmed 68th, from 9 September to 17 September, 1968..

Memory Alpha lists the first stardate in "A Piece of the Action" as unknown, and the first stardate in "Plato's Stepchildren" as 5784.2.

Memory Alpha lists "A Piece of the Action" as broadcast 56th, on 12 January 1968, and "Plato's Stepchildren" as broadcast 65th, on 22 November 1968.

So if someone puts the episodes in stardate order they could put "A Piece of the Action" ether before or after "Plato's Stepchildren".

But if someone put's the episodes in production order or broadscast order "A Piece of the Action" must be before "Plato's Stepchildren", not after it.

 

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[Orphalesion]

But if someone put's the episodes in production order .

So if someone puts the episodes in stardate order .

But what's the point of doing either of those things?

 

[Phoenix219]

Imo production order is the only one that makes sense.

 

[MAGolding]

But what's the point of doing either of those things?

So you don't want to put episodes in production order, stardate order, or broadcast order? Is that what you are saying?

So if somebody wants to do a chronology of the events within one or more Star Trek series, what advice will you give them about the order to put the episodes in?

Imo production order is the only one that makes sense.

 

[publiusr]

Stargate's hypserspace was the best. Never once did they state a speed or specific distance, and it was only a case of establishing if certain baddies had better or slower hyperspace drives.

Trek shoots itself in the foot over and over with it's specifics.

There were Tier One and Tier Two types.

The fastest was the Destiny that could flit from galaxy to galaxy. Others took a bit longer. Daedalus is thus both Earth’s fastest and slowest FTL ships! In terms of continuous movement. Super strong jump drives and Tardis tech excluded.

In Star Wars…I don’t think they ever had warp. The galaxy could be settled by skipping over hostile and surrounding them over time.

With warp, each bump then bumps you into another threat. Less tech stagnation.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Leaving the curve undrawn beyond that which is known seems reasonable enough. The alternatives would be drawing another sawtooth where nobody can attest to one residing, or just plain terminating the curve at some arbitrary higher-than-current-max speed, or then indeed approximating the extrapolation. And the latter would probably be closest to the physical tooth, merely missing the unknown and perhaps merely putative sawteeth.

IMO, the "Saw Tooth" portion is just your Energy Consumption / Fuel Efficiency curve for the given Warp Drive System.

If you change your Warp Emitter design (e.g. Dual Nacelles -> Coleopteric or Warp Ring design -> Borg Distributed Warp Field Emitters), I'm sure the Energy Consumption curve will change.

IMO, you shouldn't worry about it since it applies to a specifc set of Warp Nacelles and Warp Emitter designs.
You should see what more useful information you can get from a expanded graph that doesn't have that stupid "Hand Drawn Curve to infinity" can get you.

It can show you a more accurate picture of how energy consumption is generally scaling with speed.

And since the Warp Factor speed scale is a consistent curved line that you'll be cross referencing, it'll be more useful to expand it further so you can get a clear view of roughly how much Energy you'll be consuming at those speeds.

 

[publiusr]

Now I remember a tachyon drive from Buck Rogers. Here..it takes energy to slow down. Perhaps true Transwarp can use that.

 

[jackoverfull]

In Star Wars…I don’t think they ever had warp. The galaxy could be settled by skipping over hostile and surrounding them over time.

in Star Wars some hiperdrives are faster than others. For example the Death Star is known to be very slow in hiperspace.

 

[Orphalesion]

So you don't want to put episodes in production order, stardate order, or broadcast order? Is that what you are saying?

So if somebody wants to do a chronology of the events within one or more Star Trek series, what advice will you give them about the order to put the episodes in?

I was on my tablet and cut the quote wrong.
I was saying I don't see the point of watching episodes in production or stardate order.
It just seems needlessly complicated to me.
And, at least in TNG, if somebody were to insist on whatching it in production order, you'd have Tasha show up an episode after her death.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

in Star Wars some hiperdrives are faster than others. For example the Death Star is known to be very slow in hiperspace.

How Fast is the Millennium Falcon? A Thought Experiment!
The Millennium Falcon’s top speed is 25,000 light years per day, 1041.66 light years per hour.

That's Wf of 122.X on my scale which is just the TNG era scale with the BS hand drawn curve to infinity after Warp Factor 9 deleted and we let the TNG era formula run all the way to infinity properly, the natural way, via Spread Sheet and a Computer =D.

I've always wanted to know how fast the Millenium Falcon was relative to StarFleet Warp Drives, and it ain't half bad.

 

[at Quark's]

I mostly just assume that there is an infinite threshold at warp 10 if you try to attain it using ordinary warp principles, but that Transwarp just finds a way 'around' that, much like ordinary warp supposedly found a way 'around' the infinite energy requirements and the other problems you'd encounter when trying to attain lightspeed velocity in Einsteinian physics.

That way, 'warp 13' (for example) could be a designation of a speed in the transwarp domain that in terms of pure 'speed' (i.e. time required to reach your destination) could be equal to, say, ordinary warp 9.85, but just is a whole lot more efficient in energy expenditure. It could also explain how the ent-D is 'passing warp 10' and still flies at a finite, yet extremely high speed in where no one has gone before.

(The main problem is that it doesn't quite jibe with what we see in Threshold, where Paris is flying at warp 10 and doesn't seem to require infinite energy for that, but who cares).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

For example the Death Star is known to be very slow in hiperspace.

It was? I didn't get that memo.

We don't know how long it took for the Rebels to analyze the Death Star plans, but it could have been less than an hour, maybe even only a few minutes. That would mean that the Death Star arrived in orbit around Yavin at most a few hours after the Millennium Falcon landed on the fourth moon. The Falcon was reputedly fast. That doesn't make the Death Star necessarily "very slow" at all. Not at all.

 

[Timo]

Also, Rogue One makes it seem as if there was no real analyzing involved, that is, the Rebels already knew exactly what they were looking for, more thanks to a traitorous Imperial than the bunch of Bothan sailors who delivered the information. Spending ages trying to locate the bullseye doesn't seem likely, unless there were many and for some reason "these aren't the thermal vents you are looking for" applied to most.

There are some cases where a formation loses coherence in hyperspace, tho: when Darth Vader in Rebels uses his small Tie Advanced to go rip Phoenix Home a new one, the Star Destroyers who departed concurrently with him only arrive at least several minutes later, for no discernible reason and on no explicit orders to be late to the party. Different speeds for the respective hyperdrives would appear to be a thing there, then - and formations that do not lose coherence just sail at the hyperspeed of the slowest ship.

That warp scales would be different for different ships or engines is a bit unlikely in Trek, where we have protracted chase scenes. Even if the hunter and the hunted don't explicitly say that they are moving at their own respective Warp 8 there, the fact that the hunter doesn't catch and the hunted doesn't get away probably still means they are sailing at the same integer warp factor: if the faster ship tried to throttle up, she'd stall for losing the "integer advantage" and the chase would be over.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[jackoverfull]

It was? I didn't get that memo

if we consider canon the ancillary material, such as books and games, as it’s usually done in Star Wars (but not Star Trek!) we do.

 

[publiusr]

How Fast is the Millennium Falcon? A Thought Experiment!
The Millennium Falcon’s top speed is 25,000 light years per day, 1041.66 light years per hour.

That's Wf of 122.X on my scale which is just the TNG era scale with the BS hand drawn curve to infinity after Warp Factor 9 deleted and we let the TNG era formula run all the way to infinity properly, the natural way, via Spread Sheet and a Computer =D.

I've always wanted to know how fast the Millenium Falcon was relative to StarFleet Warp Drives, and it ain't half bad.

Now I thought it was .5 past light speed. FTL impulse?

I think SW ships ride hyperspace where Trek ships provide their own propulsion. The wormhole in TMP might have been a breakthrough had Spock adjusted things the other way. Trek seems the most FTL friendly genre…Chief O’Brien even wondered if the Scarborough type Jem’ Hadar craft HAD warp…

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Now I thought it was .5 past light speed. FTL impulse?

That's the best analysis for speed from Star Wars Hyper Drive that I've seen, so I'll go with that.

Even Christopher posted on that site in the thread comments.

I think SW ships ride hyperspace where Trek ships provide their own propulsion.

Whatever their Hyper Space Tunnel is, it requires some way to push through that tunnel, ergo the fuel/train heist in the "Solo: A Star Wars Story" movie..

The Fuel that they stole was called Coaxium.

The wormhole in TMP might have been a breakthrough had Spock adjusted things the other way. Trek seems the most FTL friendly genre…Chief O’Brien even wondered if the Scarborough type Jem’ Hadar craft HAD warp…

Trek is always creative in the methods of FTL. I have listed in my documents that Trek has at least 13 methods of FTL travel, including Warp Drive.

Each one with it's own PRO(s) & CON(s).

As far as the Jem'Hadar Scarab Fighter, that design was very unique on the outside as well as the inside.

I wouldn't be surprised that Chief O'Brien would have a field day analyzing and dissecting Jem Hadar tech to figure out how it works.

 

[publiusr]

List them here too please…

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

List them here too please…

All 13 different methods of FTL?
My bad, there are 12 different methods of FTL, 1 of them was my own original invention =D.

1) Warp Drive:
2) Voth TransWarp Drive
3) Borg TransWarp Conduit Generator
4) Quantum Slip Stream Drive
5) CoAxial Warp Drive
6) SubSpace Vortex Generator
7) Spatial Flexure Generator
8) Graviton Catapult
9) DASH Drive AKA "Spore Drive"
10) GeoDesic Fold
11) Soliton Wave Driver
12) Temporal Drive

 

[publiusr]

The Borg might have two transwarp drives…a ship drive and the “subway “ conduit…that and the varduuar may be closest to SW hyperspace…though ‘09 Trek does too. Beyond initial Enterprise effect is what I think a true “warp drive” best resembles.