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Original series blu ray release questions

Plus, presumably CBS were hoping to sell these sets to more than just the die hard fans who already know everything, more casual viewers or new fans brought in by the last film might be interested in learning behind the scenes stuff. It's not as if anyone would have been forcing us old farts to watch any interviews or commentaries that might have been included on the sets.
 
Thanks Harvey.
Now I have to justify to my wife why I need to have yet-another TOS set.
Also, it's been transfered to HD, but from a 16mm source. There's a lot more grain, which I actually like. It makes it look like you're watching a film projection. It's pretty nifty.

This is my preferred version of the episode. I'll revisit this more than the aired.

Here's a weird TOS Blu-Ray question -- I have all of the TOS Blu-Rays, with one tiny gripe. My copy of S1 did not arrive with the paper dustcover (see the image below). I'd love to get a paper dustcover for this just so it looks nice and consistent with the other Blu-Rays on the shelf, but I'm not aware if there were paper dustcovers for S1. Can anyone clarify? Or know a way to get a paper dustcover, if they exist?

Yes, the first season set DID come with a paper sleeve. I don't know where to find one for sure, I didn't see any on eBay. You may want to try writing to CBS/Paramount and simply asking them for a replacement. Or, you could remove the sleeves form the other two. It's all the same info anyway. ;)

Of course, I use the sleeves for display because I took the inner covers and turned them inside out so I can read the disc contents without removing the discs themselves.
 
Of course, I use the sleeves for display because I took the inner covers and turned them inside out so I can read the disc contents without removing the discs themselves.

A fellow over at the AVS Forum created nice inserts w/ the episode titles and their disc numbers. I printed them on photo paper and inserted them inside the cases. They're much easier on my old eyes.

Sorry, I can't remember his name, but I'll poke around and see if I find the link.

Doug
 
There's also Ric Easton's set at his own site, RixGrafix.

http://www.rixgrafix.com/index_527.htm

If you go into his forums, he also just posted a supplementary cover for the TNG BD movies. He says he'll get to a TNG-R set later in the year/next year when the full seasons start coming out.
 
One thing I've noticed while watching these in HD is the change in picture quality whenever a shot is about to dissolve to black or cross-fade. The picture quality degrades, becomes less sharp and less vibrant, until the end of the shot. It's actually distracting because it's immediately noticeable and I know straight away that the scene is about to end. (It's also apparent in any shots with original optical VFX, but these are less common.)

It's not something that I've ever noticed in any of the SD copies (on TV or DVD), probably because there isn't sufficient resolution to notice the difference. I gather this is simply a result of how the film masters were made back then, but can anyone elaborate? How did they do fade-outs and cross fades on film in the 60s and why does it degrade the picture so?
 
One thing I've noticed while watching these in HD is the change in picture quality whenever a shot is about to dissolve to black or cross-fade. The picture quality degrades, becomes less sharp and less vibrant, until the end of the shot. It's actually distracting because it's immediately noticeable and I know straight away that the scene is about to end. (It's also apparent in any shots with original optical VFX, but these are less common.)

It's not something that I've ever noticed in any of the SD copies (on TV or DVD), probably because there isn't sufficient resolution to notice the difference. I gather this is simply a result of how the film masters were made back then, but can anyone elaborate? How did they do fade-outs and cross fades on film in the 60s and why does it degrade the picture so?

In primitive film techniques, the cross-fade effect was often achieved by actually placing one section of the film dailes over another section inside a machine called an optical printer, and then "printing" them together to create a double exposure on a third roll of film, which would result in that 'disolve' from one scene to the next (or even to a fade to black). I suppose this could result in a loss of picture quality on either side of the 'disolve' itself where the double exposure is actually taking place, but I can't say with any authority whether that method was still being used by Desilu's editors in the 1960s, or whether another method had already supplanted it by then? :confused:
 
One thing I've noticed while watching these in HD is the change in picture quality whenever a shot is about to dissolve to black or cross-fade. The picture quality degrades, becomes less sharp and less vibrant, until the end of the shot. It's actually distracting because it's immediately noticeable and I know straight away that the scene is about to end. (It's also apparent in any shots with original optical VFX, but these are less common.)

It's not something that I've ever noticed in any of the SD copies (on TV or DVD), probably because there isn't sufficient resolution to notice the difference. I gather this is simply a result of how the film masters were made back then, but can anyone elaborate? How did they do fade-outs and cross fades on film in the 60s and why does it degrade the picture so?

I have always believed it is because they overlap the two sections of film--thus increasing the amount of grain by two.



I know someone with a tech background can explain the exact reason why dissolves/fadeouts are degraded, but there are also other reasons why that happens---such as when the zoom a shot.

When they zoom a medium shot to make a close-up or zoom a long shot to make a medium shot.

The worst example of this in the whole series is when Nomad flies out of sickbay in the Changling. They took a shot of him leaving a turbo-lift and zoomed it a ridiculous amount so it would be less obvious he wasn't emerging from sickbay.
That one was noticeable even in the days of VHS.
 
It's not something that I've ever noticed in any of the SD copies (on TV or DVD), probably because there isn't sufficient resolution to notice the difference. I gather this is simply a result of how the film masters were made back then, but can anyone elaborate? How did they do fade-outs and cross fades on film in the 60s and why does it degrade the picture so?

Someone can correct me on this, but I believe this is the result of an "optical effect" (that is, an effect which uses the optical printer, including dissolves and fades outs), which necessarily results in a loss of picture quality. Basically, the optical printer takes two pieces of film and creates a dupe, and whenever you do that you lose a "generation" of picture quality.

This happens in the "zoom" shots mentioned because those zooms were not created in camera, but were editorial decisions, necessitating the use of the optical printer.

You might notice this more readily on the Blu-Rays, but you can definitely notice it on DVD as well. I remember watching my restored DVD of The Great Escape and being surprised by the jarring difference in quality that would be apparent whenever an optical was about to happen.
 
It's not something that I've ever noticed in any of the SD copies (on TV or DVD), probably because there isn't sufficient resolution to notice the difference. I gather this is simply a result of how the film masters were made back then, but can anyone elaborate? How did they do fade-outs and cross fades on film in the 60s and why does it degrade the picture so?

Someone can correct me on this, but I believe this is the result of an "optical effect" (that is, an effect which uses the optical printer, including dissolves and fades outs), which necessarily results in a loss of picture quality. Basically, the optical printer takes two pieces of film and creates a dupe, and whenever you do that you lose a "generation" of picture quality.

This happens in the "zoom" shots mentioned because those zooms were not created in camera, but were editorial decisions, necessitating the use of the optical printer.

You might notice this more readily on the Blu-Rays, but you can definitely notice it on DVD as well. I remember watching my restored DVD of The Great Escape and being surprised by the jarring difference in quality that would be apparent whenever an optical was about to happen.

I agree it was noticeable on DVD as well. The real difference is that we now go from 'near-perfect' to something less--when before it was always some degree or another of 'something less.'

Great explanation by the way.
 
Here's a weird TOS Blu-Ray question -- I have all of the TOS Blu-Rays, with one tiny gripe. My copy of S1 did not arrive with the paper dustcover (see the image below). I'd love to get a paper dustcover for this just so it looks nice and consistent with the other Blu-Rays on the shelf, but I'm not aware if there were paper dustcovers for S1. Can anyone clarify? Or know a way to get a paper dustcover, if they exist?

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Again, yes, this is a tiny, silly, pretty ridiculous thing to complain about. But, hey, figured if there was any crowd who might sympathize, TrekBBS would be it. :-)

Well, knowing how my mind works, I'd be tempted to even things out by getting rid of the other two dust covers. :lol:
 
^ Hey tranya, if you decide to go with LMFAOschwarz's suggestion, let me know. My season 3 came without a slipcover, and it drives me kinda batty, so if you discard your season 3 cover, I'd be happy to take it off your hands! :lol:
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one having an issue with that. I own the first 2 seasons, both with the slipcover. I'd like to order the 3rd (when it drops in price) but I do wonder if I should just wait until I see it in a store in case they ship one without the slipcover.
 
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