Interesting. Were you one of the producers for the La La release? If so, that's quite a monumental work there. How did the music end up on the master- they recorded it on 1/4" first, then transferred to the 35mm master?
original alien planet surface sound sadly never released :(
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Interesting. Were you one of the producers for the La La release? If so, that's quite a monumental work there. How did the music end up on the master- they recorded it on 1/4" first, then transferred to the 35mm master?
Thanks, Neil. I'm surprised you guys never came across any of the low frequency planet sounds. There was only ever one release that I know of and that was the GNP release some years ago. Even that wasn't pure though being mixed with the higher tones. An invaluable work otherwise because those effects have never appeared elsewhere that I know of. BTW, this wouldn't happen to be Neil of GNP would it?
No matter. I reread the notes after I asked that and realized you weren't. Was there a different 1/4" reel for each episode or could they fit several episodes onto one?
Jack Cookerly's device was interesting and I don't think there has been anything like it before or since. You can actually hear the delay in one of the transporter mixes. Whether this was an electronic analog delay or done with a reel-to-reel, I don't know, but it gave the effect "life".
Maybe I could ask you this question since you helped with this release: Do you know why some of the second and third season music was essentially re-scored by different artists? We had Wilbur Hatch during season three, for example, re-scoring quite a lot of Alexander Courage's music from season one. My guess was to save money perhaps, but not sure.
No tapes were shared unless multiple episodes were recorded at the same sessions. Typically a score went across three tapes. Remember, we had the entire scoring sessions for virtually every episode.
Music was re-recorded for other seasons because union rules specified new recordings could only be used in each season. The tapes from earlier seasons were supposed to be destroyed. Obviously this didn't happen on Star Trek.
Neil
Music was re-recorded for other seasons because union rules specified new recordings could only be used in each season. The tapes from earlier seasons were supposed to be destroyed. Obviously this didn't happen on Star Trek.
Neil
Those union rules were pretty well ignored in later episodes. I always wondered about that. And how those union rules were not enforced on other shows, like the Irwin Allen TV series. They re-used music constantly throughout multiple seasons on Lost in Space and Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
While it may have been a technical violation, I think the musicians union looked the other way on cue re-uses as long as a new recording of the cue had been made for the new season. You could re-use the old tape and shelve the new one, because the players got paid to sit again and that's all they cared about.
Neil, did ST get away with not re-recording cues in year 3?
Neil, did ST get away with not re-recording cues in year 3?
I don't understand the question. They did re-record cues for season 3 but also used earlier recordings.
Neil
1. Aha! Thanks. My ears really thought they were hearing the original recordings of s1 cues during s3. But after reading about the union rules on this BBS a while ago, I figured I must have been wrong.
2. So, why would they use the older recordings of the same cue if they had recorded new ones for the new season?
2. So, why would they use the older recordings of the same cue if they had recorded new ones for the new season?
Music recorded for "Metamorphosis" opens "Whom Gods Destroy". I know music recorded for "The Doomsday Machine" shows up in season 3 as well.
Do you count the pilots as season 1? Music recorded for "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is used throughout "The Lights of Zetar".
Neil
Do you count the pilots as season 1? Music recorded for "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is used throughout "The Lights of Zetar".
Neil
So I don't understand: they had Wilbur Hatch re-record Sandy Courage's music from "Where No Man..." for third season library music and then they *didn't* use it for "...Zetar?" Why would they re-record it for library purposes and then not use it?
I echo that question. It must be some union thing, like sending out trucks and guys who will not be needed to a job site. But the question remains: if it was recorded, why not use it?!
They didn't re-record "Force Field" for season three, which was used extensively in "The Lights of Zetar". I'd have to check "Day of the Dove" to hear which version of "Speedy Reader" they used.
Neil
Tell you one thing, I've had a LOT of fun re-creating the various musical edits for the shows where they didn't have an original score. I always liked the musical edit of the opening sequence of "Spock's Brain" where they first encounter the ship and the woman comes aboard (for some odd reason, they must have NOT used the score on the La La release for that sequence although that particular music did show up in other episodes). Anyway, it was fun to re-create that particular edit. The sound editors of the time really had their work cut out for them for 'Trek since much of the music had to be reused and edited for other episodes. Most of the edits were seamlessly done and this couldn't have been easy in those analog days. A few years ago, I had 1/4" reel-to-reel decks and did some actual cut and splice editing. Quite a bit more work than the simple mixing in a DAW these days. I didn't really have my reel-to-reel for that but for the echo effect that could be created with it which was fantastic.
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