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Opinions about Trip and T'Pol

but I'm not going to read TGTMD and its sequels (the premise is ridiculous to me), or any other fan fiction whose sole purpose is to recreate the Greatest Love Story Ever Told, either.
Bluedana: Excellent post and analysis. One point I would like to make. In fairness to TGTMD and KM; they are not "Greatest Love Story Ever Told" type of books. Actually they far from it. There is a Trip & T'Pol element to the books, particularly in KM where the authors were concentrating on "correcting" the damage that was done in TATV to their romance, and explaining what was going through T'Pol's mind in TATV and earlier. That is pretty much the extent of the romance, IMO less than 30% of KM. By ignoring these books you are missing an excellent prelude to the Romulan War, which is what the books are really all about. I would read them.

I don't gouge my eyes out when they're on screen together,
Why does everyone want to steal my tag line?
 
One point I would like to make. In fairness to TGTMD and KM; they are not "Greatest Love Story Ever Told" type of books. Actually they far from it. There is a Trip & T'Pol element to the books, particularly in KM where the authors were concentrating on "correcting" the damage that was done in TATV to their romance, and explaining what was going through T'Pol's mind in TATV and earlier. That is pretty much the extent of the romance, IMO less than 30% of KM. By ignoring these books you are missing an excellent prelude to the Romulan War, which is what the books are really all about. I would read them.
To be fair, I find the whole underlying premise of TGTMD, et al., to be eye-roll worthy, so it wouldn't matter if there were romance or not. Not gonna read 'em. I've read fan fic that has, as an element, the continuation of the Trip/T'Pol relationship (and when I've written things, I've acknowledged it as part of canon, even beyond Season 4), along with a good Trek storyline, so it's not a deal breaker. It just can't be the whole focus of the story. It's gotta be sci-fi for me first and foremost. Otherwise, I'd just read Harlequin Romances. I know I'm missing out on some good pre-Romulan War stuff, but them's the breaks. Maybe I'll relent and read them when the books actually get to the War, but I wish I could read them without acknowledging M&M's stupid "finale fix."

I don't gouge my eyes out when they're on screen together,
Why does everyone want to steal my tag line?
Oh, honey, I've been using that particular line since "Gag me with a spoon" went out of fashion in the '80s. There really isn't anything new under the sun.
 
Maybe I'll relent and read them when the books actually get to the War, but I wish I could read them without acknowledging M&M's stupid "finale fix."
Just a question. Are you saying that you didn't like the premise for M&M's repair of TATV or are you saying that TATV didn't need repairing?
 
Maybe I'll relent and read them when the books actually get to the War, but I wish I could read them without acknowledging M&M's stupid "finale fix."
Just a question. Are you saying that you didn't like the premise for M&M's repair of TATV or are you saying that TATV didn't need repairing?
I don't like the particular premise. Had they rewritten TATV to address even the top 25 idiocies of that POS, number one on the list being coming up with a more interesting, plausible, intelligent reason for Trip's sacrifice, I'd be all over it. Or even having him not die, but for a reason that actually makes sense (saved at the last minute, rebooted in some way, whatever), fine.
 
That vote was probably rigged anyway
So, if a group of people disagree with you, it's rigged? I see. There is a world beyond this realm. I think, I didn't vote, a bunch of people picked it because it's the season/series finale, they possibly like TNG and they don't live in the ENT forum.

Trip and T'Pol getting together didn't (and doesn't) bother me any more than any other soap-opera-in-space aspect of any Trek series did.
I usually can take or leave most of the romances on sci-fi shows. This one bothers me, as mentioned before, because of what seems like an after school message to me and in my opinion the sorry way they were written to get together. Even their lack of chemistry, what I perceive as lack, doesn't concern me. I've covered that though, so I'll stop there.

Of course Phlox could be wrong* From my perspective, T'Pol probably initially started taking the Trellium because of Archer (this may or may not be the thread to elaborate on it, i'll withhold for now), and her emotions and interactions about and with Trip were probably an unexpected consequence.
I'm curious. I do think part of why T'Pol took trellium is to needed, but that's purely supposition. None of the characters indicated it through words or deeds (other than T'Pol rushing to get back to the bridge after the "I need you" from Archer), nor have any of the actors/writers elaborated on it.

On whether Phlox does a good job or a bad job with his psychology degree I think is kinda beside the point. Yes, the writers have had him do some silly things, but that -- to me -- doesn't mean his medical or psychiatric contributions are crummy. I mean, let's go down that path for a second. Phlox didn't find Archer medically unfit during season 3 and many of the things he's done, nor did he raise any concerns with T'Pol, which he would be obligated to do. He would've had to tell Archer about T'Pol's drug addiction. He may've found Trip physically unfit to serve after he burned himself (after Elizabeth died), rather than suggest neuropressure. I think that path leads to madness. (And some just basic strange writing.)

Besides, did you see the way T'Pol averted his eyes when he said, "Commander Tucker for example?" I think that means, "yup." T'Pol didn't disagree nor offer any other explanation. This one, I think, Phlox got right. More over, Jolene's analysis of her own character says that's the case. I tend to believe actors on what their characters feel.
 
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That vote was probably rigged anyway
So, if a group of people disagree with you, it's rigged?
No, when a bogus group of people disagree with everyone else, then it's (I said probably) rigged.

I see. There is a world beyond this realm.
You mean like Sto-vo-kor or Sha-ka-ree? I don't know, hope so...

Besides, did you see the way T'Pol averted his eyes when he said, "Commander Tucker for example?" I think that means, "yup." T'Pol didn't disagree nor offer any other explanation. This one, I think, Phlox got right.
You may be right here. My take - T'Pol started to enjoy neuropressure and didn't want to let go of the feeling. But I still think its ridiculous that Vulcans would need drugs to get attracted to members of opposite sex. I mean, I'm pretty sure even Tuvok found Kes desirable, but knew better than to act on it (plus, he loved his wife, which Kes, with whom he mind melded with more then once, knew well).
 
C64, she may have inverted her eyes so that Phlox wold not see that she agreed with him about her being attracted to Trip.

coy, you know.
 
C64, she may have inverted her eyes so that Phlox wold not see that she agreed with him about her being attracted to Trip.

coy, you know.

I agree. But I think she was being coy about not only her attraction, but her sampling drugs for the man in order to as she said, "lower her inhibitions."

Mach5, I sincerely doubt anyone would go to all the trouble to "rig" an election just to piss off a small number of people on one of the minority boards on the TrekBBS.

You mean like Sto-vo-kor or Sha-ka-ree? I don't know, hope so...

I hope it's not like STV.
 
Mach5, I sincerely doubt anyone would go to all the trouble to "rig" an election just to piss off a small number of people on one of the minority boards on the TrekBBS.
You're either missing the point, or I've been vague again :shifty:
What I'm arguing is that there wasn't any poll in the first place. Or perhaps Berman and Braga conducted it among their friends and family (and then rigged it :lol:)
 
You're either missing the point, or I've been vague again :shifty:
What I'm arguing is that there wasn't any poll in the first place. Or perhaps Berman and Braga conducted it among their friends and family (and then rigged it :lol:)
Isn't that what I said?

I don't care what anyone says, I don't believe for a minute that real fans chose that episode to be included in the DVD.
 
The scene that spoke volumes about the chemistry of Connor and Jolene was the "going away present" kiss between T'Pol and Sim. The close-up of Jolene's face and look in her eyes immediately after the kiss was simply breathtaking!
 
The close-up of Jolene's face and look in her eyes immediately after the kiss was simply breathtaking!
You mean this?

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Jolene definitely peaked here, if you ask me.
 
The close-up of Jolene's face and look in her eyes immediately after the kiss was simply breathtaking!
You mean this?

similitude1.jpg


Jolene definitely peaked here, if you ask me.

You the Man, Mach5!

Before this scene, Sim spoke to Archer in the shuttlepod bay and said: "Its not I'm afraid of dying, its just that I can't imagine myself not being here tomorrow." I would've added: "...and never looking into her eyes again."
 
For me the simple truth about Trip and T'Pol is that I came to care for both of them and their relationship.

Now i'm a 42 yo bloke.

I don't really care that much for romantic relationships on my favourite TV shows.

TOS: Too young to care about Rand/Kirk or Spock/Chapel. Even in reruns.

TNG: No interest in Riker/Troi, Worf/Troi or Picard/Crusher.

DS9: Odo/Kira, Worf/Dax/Bashir or Sisko/Casey? wow can't remember.

VOY: Torres/Paris, Janeway/Chikotay, Kes/Neelix didn't grab me.


Watching T'Pol and Trip interact over the seasons hooked me in. I hoped they would have a future together and be a great insight into Vulcans over the 7 year run.

Because I cared for the characters so much at the end TATV was a big slap in the face. Not since then end of Blake's 7 had I felt so pissed off at how a TV show wound up.

Still am somewhat.

I never expected Blakes's 7 to end with the crew walking off into the sunset but I didn't expect them to be hurled into the sun (yes I know they where shot).

I never expected for Enterprise to end as sacrifice to the glory days of TNG.

The fact that I am here posting and reading on a forum several years after Enterprise ended speaks volumes about how much I came to look forward to watching Enterprise for Trip and T'Pol every week for 4 seasons.
 
Treknut - you pretty much summed up my reasons for being stuck on the Trip & T'Pol romance, thing, too. Except for the Blakes 7 part 'cuz I never watched that. In my case I didn't really even get INTO the series until about 6 months ago in reruns. The first time through I lost interest in the show after only watching the first few episodes - I should have given it more time, then, the best was yet to come.
 
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