Online Petition Bring Back Kathryn Janeway!

[Brit]

As for why I want Janeway back it's for the simple reason that I want to read stories featuring here and I'd be willing to pay for good ones if available. In the meantime I read the free ones online.

I keep telling you guys to follow the money, here it is and if the marketing guys don't realize it now, they will soon enough. Voyager readers are reading the free ones on line, so either one of two things will happen. They will drop the line all together (in which case someone with more foresight will pick up the line), or they will go to the internet and see what is most popular and try to copy that.

Now I know what is on-line and it's pure romance, with lots of relationship stories and Janeway having a full life including sex and even in some cases children, and she is still in charge. All kinds of stories, all kinds of ideas for a character that some have written off as having no more stories to tell. It is Science Fiction Romance and that is the next coming subgenre in "Romance," and guys whether you like the genre or not Romance sells and it makes money.

Follow the money.

Brit

 

[Mr Silver]

I can accept that "Romance" sells, but only to a minority of people, the only thing that really gets to me in Star Trek is when they try and create "Romance", they usually mess it up

Chakotay/Seven Of Nine

Worf/Deanna

Picard/Crusher (controversial, but its true, initially TNG writers wanted to create a recurring romance between Crusher and Picard, but there just wasn't enough chemistry, so they made them close friends bordering on lovers)

Kirk/Rand

Just a few of the many failed instances of romance in Star Trek

 

[F. King Daniel]

^In the novels, Picard and Beverly are married, with a baby on the way. Riker and Troi have a daughter called Tasha.

The first Voyager Homecoming novel broke Chakotay and Seven up about 30 pages in. Thank God!

An old novel (The Captain's Daughter, I think it was) implied Rand left the Enterprise after Kirk knocked her up, and she returned in TMP after the baby (which Kirk never knew about) died.

 

[Brit]

I can accept that "Romance" sells, but only to a minority of people, the only thing that really gets to me in Star Trek is when they try and create "Romance", they usually mess it up

Chakotay/Seven Of Nine

Worf/Deanna

Picard/Crusher (controversial, but its true, initially TNG writers wanted to create a recurring romance between Crusher and Picard, but there just wasn't enough chemistry, so they made them close friends bordering on lovers)

Kirk/Rand

Just a few of the many failed instances of romance in Star Trek

It can actually work with the right authors, there is a book in print now called "Moonstruck." It is pretty well known and was a runner up for Best Paranormal Romance a couple of yeas ago. It is "romance" but it is also as close to Janeway/Chakotay without being a "StarTrek" novel as I have ever read. It's really good, in places you would really only have to change the names of the characters, Rorkken = Chakotay, Tango = Tom Paris, and Brit = Kathryn.

As with everything you really have to have an author that likes the genre, to write it. And for the other's Romance isn't a minority at all, it is a big huge majority, and the only genre that made money last year.

Brit

"Moonstruck" by Susan Grant - http://www.amazon.com/Moonstruck-Bo...=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280698796&sr=8-7

 

[F. King Daniel]

^Would the name "Brit" be a coincidence?

 

[Brit]

^Would the name "Brit" be a coincidence?

No not at all, there are a lot of Kathryn nicks in the fandom, but I really liked Admiral Brit Bandar AKA "Stoneheart Bandar."

Brit

 

[Mr Silver]

I agree that it can work with the right authors, however when we've seen it on live action TV, its very rarely suceeded, sometimes you get great chemistry with actors who can believably portray Romance, however as I said in my last post, Star Trek has often failed at making this point

 

[Guy Gardener]

You say "often" and I say "consecutively and irresistibly".

If that is you don't count DS9, which had many, many successful and interesting relationships up to and including the Dukat hitting on his "daughter" Kira... trying to bed your mistresses child 20 years afer the fact is just Charlie-Sheenesque.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

... Dukat hitting on his "daughter" Kira... trying to bed your mistresses child 20 years afer the fact is just creepy and disgusting.

Fixed that for you.

Let's face it, incest is nasty no matter how you slice it. That little episode (as in instances of happening) should never have happened.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I wouldn't call the Trip/T'Pol story a faliure.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I would say killing him there at the end was not really necessary a la killing Admiral Janeway.

 

[kimc]

^ Probably not but Braga was itching to kill off a main character even during Voyager. He had planned out a tragic arc for Seven but when he moved over to Enterprise that arc was abandoned. He had another shot with Trip and took it.

Did it make sense for the story or was he just taking an opportunity to have the experience of a Trek death? By that time I had stopped watching so can't really say...

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Trek death had already been done, though. We'd seen it in the movies with Spock and on DS9 with Jadzia. We really didn't need to rehash it.

 

[Mr Silver]

Trek death had already been done, though. We'd seen it in the movies with Spock and on DS9 with Jadzia. We really didn't need to rehash it.

Very True,

It seems that Brannon Braga had some unconventional ideas, that were kept in check throughout VOY by Berman, Piller, Taylor, et al

He is also infamous for stopping the Seven Of Nine Lesbian/Bisexual identity and not just that but other things that could have made the show more popular with different viewer demographics

 

[AuntKate]

Killing off a major character is not the most creative way to create drama IMHO. If that is the best a writer can do, perhaps he/she needs to be the one who departs!

 

[Mr Silver]

Killing off a major character is not the most creative way to create drama IMHO. If that is the best a writer can do, perhaps he/she needs to be the one who departs!

This would seem to be a recurring issue (note that Major Characters are characters that play a considerable recurring role)

Major Character Deaths That Worked

* Khan
* Spock
* Eddington
* Gowron
* Dukat
* Damar

Major Character Deaths That Failed

* Tasha Yar
* Jadzia Dax
* Data
* Lursa And Be'tor
* Seska
* Tora Ziyal
* Enabran Tain
* Any Mirror Characters
* The Borg Queen

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was watching Denise Crosby on the Adventures of Brisco County jr the other day and... From all the TNG and Lois and Clark I had watched over the years, I didn't know that she was hot.

Must have been the chaps.

Zial's death through Dukat in an interesting direction but I'd mostly agree with your other decisions.

 

[Mr Silver]

Zial's death through Dukat in an interesting direction .

I agree it was instrumental in the progression of the Dukat character, but the way it was handled was pretty dull and tbh there was no real backlash, Damar easily got over it, Dukat didn't seek revenge on him, instead he blamed Sisko and DS9 for the loss and not the person who pulled the trigger

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Zial's death through Dukat in an interesting direction .

I agree it was instrumental in the progression of the Dukat character, but the way it was handled was pretty dull and tbh there was no real backlash, Damar easily got over it, Dukat didn't seek revenge on him, instead he blamed Sisko and DS9 for the loss and not the person who pulled the trigger

Dukat had been ready to pull the trigger himself a few episodes back in the Ziyal story so I think it made sense that he would just use it as fuel for his already trustworthy hatreds. It DID pitch him over the edge into insanity which was fun.. though of course he was on his way there already.

I thought Seska's death was very gripping and tragic but I would have preferred more of her story. Voyager couldn't hang about with the Kazon forever though so that would have taken some big changes. Still I consider it a successful death as it left me with a lot of sadness and questions about the future of her child.

Lursa and Betor should still be alive. They were smokin'!!!!

The Borg Queen isn't dead, just that incarnation of her.

Tain should have died while accomplishing some great treachery.

I agree with the list of Good Deaths.

Where you put Lieutenant Carey in this? Good or Bad?

 

[firecrackerrrr]

This is when I decided to stop reading the Voy books entirely. Which is a shame since I actually quite enjoyed them. But killing Janeway off and expecting fans of her and Voy to be cool with it and to be cool with more Voy books sans Janeway to keep coming out is absurd. No thanks. You might as well rename the ship and the books and the characters entirely cause no one gives a shit.