Online Petition Bring Back Kathryn Janeway!
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But neither Spock nor Sherlock Holmes were brought back to fix a "destroyed" or "ruined" character's death, either. Spock was brought back because of the response to TWOK (and the open door for a sequel). Doyle was tired of Holmes and killed him off. Yes, people were angry, but he didn't bring back Holmes from the dead until after the response to The Hound of the Baskervilles, published seven years later (chronologically taking place before Holmes' death).
Then you'll have to wait. The fans don't come across as very patient or flexible, though.
Explain this
Why should we come off as patient?
Why should we come off as patient?
That implies some sort of entitlement. Like you must be catered to right now. Why should your desires be met over, for example, those of fans who want Sisko to come back to this plane of existence for good?
^ I'm sorry, I had to laugh at that. 
It's your opinion that Janeway is a "ruined" or "destroyed" character. Yes, TrekLit mishandled the character but fans still like her just fine thankyouverymuch.
And just what would constitute patient and flexible behavior on an internet message board, in your opinion? The fans wanted it known that they existed and they wanted a favorite character back. This involved (gasp!) posting on a message board. Wow, how impatient and inflexible of them!
Mishandled...okay. But I have seen "ruined" and "destroyed" in reference to this.
Patient in that you may have to wait to get what you want. If the editors see things your way today, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll see anything on the shelves right away (1-2 years from now). It may be five years from now. Why right now?
Flexible in that some may have to expand the definition of what they want. You want her back; what does that mean? Back from the dead or in a Voyager-era story? Back from the dead in new (timeline-wise) stories is more likely than back on Voyager. Still gonna boycott if you get one thing and not the other?
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How's this for clarity....
I don't really care whether it's new Voyager stories in the DQ, she gets brought back in the 'regular time line', or whatever. I just prefer to read about Janeway and her crew.
I'm not claiming any sense of entitlement, but your argument that I should be patient is condescending at worst and sill at best.
No fanatic has patience when their character is killed off. That is the nature of fandom. So, again, I say that those who argue that Janeway fans are impatient and inflexible don't understand the fandom.
I don't really care whether it's new Voyager stories in the DQ, she gets brought back in the 'regular time line', or whatever. I just prefer to read about Janeway and her crew.
I'm not claiming any sense of entitlement, but your argument that I should be patient is condescending at worst and sill at best.
No fanatic has patience when their character is killed off. That is the nature of fandom. So, again, I say that those who argue that Janeway fans are impatient and inflexible don't understand the fandom.
I'm getting a good idea right now, right in this one thread.
Two things. A, this isn't a case of a writer's own character; Janeway the character belongs to CBS, so they (or their licensees in this case) deciding to kill a character is their right. B, you can't buy food or pay rent on a moral stance.
It's easier to destroy than create. Besides which, death happens in real life, so it requires no workarounds. In real life, people don't come back to life.
Personally, had I been around at the time, I'd have thought bringing back Spock was a mistake. And ST3 certainly wouldn't have helped any. ST4 and 6 help negate some of that, especially 4. And certainly his role in TNG was a solid one. But overall, I do think bringing back Spock was a mistake; it just happened to be one that was mostly redeemed. And I'm confident that even if Pocket does make the mistaken decision to bring back Janeway, the stories will be such that the positive will outweigh the negative.
I don't know much about Sherlock Holmes.
I'm near-positive Sovereign_One was referring to Lynx's choice of words - he specifically refers to Janeway (and other charactes coughKescough) as "ruined" and "destroyed."
This is fair.
How can you be anything but patient? Pocket's undoubtedly got its plans pretty well set for 2011, and the earliest you would probably see a new work with Janeway as a feature character would be 2012, perhaps later. Although... the Myriad Universes of this year might have her in one of its tales?
Despite its origin, "fan" has come to be separated from "fanatic" in it's connotation. There wasn't this sort of outcry for Sisko's return (which took... 12 books to happen, so can you handle another 10 without Janeway?), and I don't recall anybody suggesting Pocket was racist. Data hasn't returned yet in the... 10 books of the TNG relaunch, and there's not this sort of fury for his return either. (Thank you Memory Alpha!)
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For those that wanted to, Data came back in Nemesis. B4 was beginning to proccess Data's mind by the end of the story and MIGHT have been quickly and completely overcome with Data's personality.
Besides, all this post AQ Voyager is just a lark. The only story telling that matters is their journey home.... Final Frontier was an Excellent book without Kirk. Well, "that" particular Kirk.
Besides, all this post AQ Voyager is just a lark. The only story telling that matters is their journey home.... Final Frontier was an Excellent book without Kirk. Well, "that" particular Kirk.
Which is a rather presumptuous observation, since you don't know me.
I came in here very vaguely knowing what this whole business was about. Not long ago I bought the first season of Voyager, because back when it was first-run I stopped watching in the middle of season two. I wanted to give it another go. I also wanted to know what the Janeway following was about, and I came in here asking questions. That was my entire intent, to know more. A grave mistake on my part, apparently. Just the act of asking the questions was more than enough to get under some peoples' skins. I should have left and simply kept my questions to myself and found some other place to get the information I was looking for, without assumptions being made about my intentions.
I still don't come down on the matter in either direction; the digging around I was doing may have made some think I have chosen a side. Based on my treatment here, it's tempting to let that color my perceptions of Janeway. Tempting, but not difficult to avoid. I've watched half of season one and will be acquiring the other seasons when I can or watch them through Netflix. But I won't be coming here to discuss them.
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Which is a rather presumptuous observation, since you don't know me.
I came in here very vaguely knowing what this whole business was about. Not long ago I bought the first season of Voyager, because back when it was first-run I stopped watching in the middle of season two. I wanted to give it another go. I also wanted to know what the Janeway following was about, and I came in here asking questions. That was my entire intent, to know more. A grave mistake on my part, apparently. Just the act of asking the questions was more than enough to get under some peoples' skins. I should have left and simply kept my questions to myself and found some other place to get the information I was looking for, without assumptions being my about my intentions.
I still don't come down on the matter in either direction; the digging around I was doing may have made some think I have chosen a side. Based on my treatment here, it's tempting to let that color my perceptions of Janeway. Tempting, but not difficult to avoid. I've watched half of season one and will be acquiring the other seasons when I can or watch them through Netflix. But I won't be coming here to discuss them.
Well, that's a shame. The "bring back Janeway" argument is rather like trench warfare and not the best place to test the Voyager forum waters. If you want to discuss episodes, then you would probably get an interesting and enlightening discussion.
Trench warefare is a good description for it, yes.
In any other thread, I think you'd find it a much better place for the type of discussion you seem to be looking for.
That being said, I was very specific about my wording Kestral. I meant "fanatic" and not "fan". I am well aware of the difference, which is why I chose the wording I did.
In any other thread, I think you'd find it a much better place for the type of discussion you seem to be looking for.
That being said, I was very specific about my wording Kestral. I meant "fanatic" and not "fan". I am well aware of the difference, which is why I chose the wording I did.
Fair enough, though I don't see why anybody would be interested in being labeled a "fanatic" since that typically has a negative connotation. I'll concede there are some things worth being fanatical about, but in general it's to be avoided. It sounds like you're saying "[Subsets of] Janeway fandom is unreasonable and irrational and you should give into them because of that." Sorry, but you can surely see why a legitimate response is to simply ignore unreasonable and irrational people.
Nope, I'm saying that certain sets of the fandom are highly hurt and emotional because they feel like little respect has been shown to their favorite character. It's gotten their ire up, and made them more fanatical and less just 'fan'-like.
Since no one has really listened to the Janeway fans about Janeway in the past, the likelihood is they will not now either.
It's a combination of years of pent up frustration coming out.
If you want to ignore us, that's perfectly fine. But, then, it seems counterproductive to ignoring Janeway fans to come in wanting to know why we'd like to see her come back.
Since no one has really listened to the Janeway fans about Janeway in the past, the likelihood is they will not now either.
It's a combination of years of pent up frustration coming out.
If you want to ignore us, that's perfectly fine. But, then, it seems counterproductive to ignoring Janeway fans to come in wanting to know why we'd like to see her come back.
