You don't tell me how to behave. You're not my mother.
One thing I especially hate in "In Theory" ...
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Maybe. But basically, Jenna made the same mistake with Data that she had previously: she went for a man who wasn't capable of meeting her needs.
Just as Data could have sustained a relationship with a person whose needs he could meet, Jenna could have formed a solid relationship with a person who could meet her needs. The person they needed... was not each other.
It was kind of like Harry Potter and Cho Chang: they weren't bad kids, they just weren't right for each other.
IMHO, not every mistake an adult chooses to make needs to be scrutinized by a therapist... unless they want to. None of us have a guaranteed insight into whether a prospective partner will meet our needs or not, & we all grow by learning from both the successful & unsuccessful choices we make.
Debatable. Some wisdom for some people can't be simply imparted. Experientially is the only way it is absorbed, resulting in applicable revelation.
Let's allow these two adults to continue adulting however they please. My only issue with the circumstance is that I think Jenna is unequivocally wrong about Data, (which happens) & unfortunately he leaves the relationship accepting her judgment as truth.
Hopefully a friend came along later & bolstered him a bit, like Troi did in Data's Day, when she suggested he did have a lot to offer a partner. Notice how she didn't itemize that, because that's not for her to define for him.
As for the episode itself... I still think it's written rather hamfistedly. The subject could've been done with a lot more skill, & a good episode could've come from it. Too much of it was superficial tv pablum, that used Data's character as a gimmick instead of a genuine narrative exploration.
Very true. The first thing I'd tell Data, in such an instance, is not to create a special program. Just be the man you are.
The thing is though... I think that IS the man Data is. He doesn't always mention it, but I think every new type of interaction he has, he must program subroutines & such to undertake it. Now we can certainly point out that he has a tendency to deep dive too far on subjects, to a point of diminishing returns. So I might tell him. "Don't overly research this one Data. People are different. You won't be able to successfully apply a researched approach. Improvise as it goes & adapt". We do know he can do both those things
This episode sorely needed the perspective of Dr pulaski, that's for sure. She would have put it in the proper perspective for data. (I'm talking about the way their friendship ended not the way it started of course). She is the one person that could have explained it to data in a way that made sense. Would have called out Jenna for her crap too.
Future people in Trek seem to romanticise the 21st century way more than we currently do the 16th or 17th century respectively.
I love 2009, I really really do, but when Kirk (Chirs Pine) does the hammer cocking motion with his hands at the viewscreen showing the destruction of the Klingon ships, it really takes me out of the movie.
Why would a guy born in the 23rd century growing up with energy weapons like phasers act like people from our time?
For Data though, we can surely excuse him because his own commanding officer Jean Luc Picard loves fantasizing about 1940s Dixon Hill and ignore any media from the 21st century.
I love 2009, I really really do, but when Kirk (Chirs Pine) does the hammer cocking motion with his hands at the viewscreen showing the destruction of the Klingon ships, it really takes me out of the movie.
Why would a guy born in the 23rd century growing up with energy weapons like phasers act like people from our time?
For Data though, we can surely excuse him because his own commanding officer Jean Luc Picard loves fantasizing about 1940s Dixon Hill and ignore any media from the 21st century.
And his own love for Sherlock Holmes - theres no way an "emotionless android" got that attached to the works of Doyle and proceeded to cosplay on the holodeck without some type of positive emotional feedback. He was downright giddy with excitement trying to show off to Geordi.Future people in Trek seem to romanticise the 21st century way more than we currently do the 16th or 17th century respectively.
I love 2009, I really really do, but when Kirk (Chirs Pine) does the hammer cocking motion with his hands at the viewscreen showing the destruction of the Klingon ships, it really takes me out of the movie.
Why would a guy born in the 23rd century growing up with energy weapons like phasers act like people from our time?
For Data though, we can surely excuse him because his own commanding officer Jean Luc Picard loves fantasizing about 1940s Dixon Hill and ignore any media from the 21st century.
Certain gestures take on a life of their own. Even in this age of smart phone the "call me" gesture still emulates a the hand set from a landline. A finger across the throat is still used to mean "cut them off" and "kill them". How long has the okay gesture been around?Future people in Trek seem to romanticise the 21st century way more than we currently do the 16th or 17th century respectively.
I love 2009, I really really do, but when Kirk (Chirs Pine) does the hammer cocking motion with his hands at the viewscreen showing the destruction of the Klingon ships, it really takes me out of the movie.
Why would a guy born in the 23rd century growing up with energy weapons like phasers act like people from our time?
For Data though, we can surely excuse him because his own commanding officer Jean Luc Picard loves fantasizing about 1940s Dixon Hill and ignore any media from the 21st century.
"Thumbs up" and "thumbs down" have vastly outlived the gladiator games (assuming that's really where they started).
From older millenials and boomers, sire the "call me" gesture is still in effect. But if my daughters are anything to go by, and I know it's a miniscule sample, they haven't used that gesture in ages.
Finger across the throat, I'll give that, but that's cuz throat slits still happen in the modern world.
@StarTrek1701 what do people do now? Finger tapping for "text me"? Or are people so rarely in the same room that it's been replaced by texting someone a smartphone emoji?
Good question, come to think of it, I haven't seen anyone do the classic "call me" gesture in RL in ages. Only on TV.
My daughters and their friends have done the phone bump thing, my wife and I just wave a phone if one in hand, or just make a gesture that a rectangle is in the hand and wave that slightly.
In the 23rd century, people would make a clamshell flip motion (Uhura might tap her earlobe); by the 24th, people would just tap the spot where their badge would be.
Because Prime Kirk liked antiques. Maybe he saw antique firearms or pistols.
Older than you, dude
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Ooooooooh. That is a very valid point. But wasn't Kelvin Kirk's life way different than Prime's though?
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