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Once Upon a Time (ABC) - 1x02 till the bitter end

Hey I just realized, isn't the actress who plays Midas' daughter/Mrs. Charming actually Jamie Bamber's sister? I thought I knew here from somewhere!

As for Peter Pan, the show could just avoid using elements that are original to the play version. I don't even know what those elements would be. (And I'm not sure Peter Pan is the type of character who even fits this show, being a modern invention.)
 
I think there was another "non classic" fantasy character referenced on the show, but I'm drawing a blank.
 
King Midas was from mythology, I thought that was an interesting departure. As long as a character is "traditional" (ancient, authorship unknown), I'd say it fits right in. I wouldn't want them to feel creatively constrained. I'd like to see non-Western mythology/fables worked into the story.

Or maybe you're thinking of Pinnochio, which was originally written by Carlo Collodi in the 19th C. But that story has been so completely taken over by Disney that it might as well have been invented by them. So from that perspective, maybe Peter Pan is in the same boat.
 
Vorta Claus said:
Hey I just realized, isn't the actress who plays Midas' daughter/Mrs. Charming actually Jamie Bamber's sister? I thought I knew here from somewhere!

As for Peter Pan, the show could just avoid using elements that are original to the play version. I don't even know what those elements would be. (And I'm not sure Peter Pan is the type of character who even fits this show, being a modern invention.)
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But it sounds like even the book is under copyright in the UK/EU. So they could have made the show and aired it in the US, but they would be barred from selling it to the EU unless they licensed the character their. Easier/cheaper to just change the character.
 
Santa Kang said:
I think there was another "non classic" fantasy character referenced on the show, but I'm drawing a blank.
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Pongo from One Hundred and One Dalmatians?

And, of course, one of Snow's dwarf friends was named "Doc" which refers specifically to the Disney version, not the original fairy tale. Ditto for Malificient from Disney's Sleeping Beauty.

But, yeah, so far they've mixed Greek mythology, European fairy tales, and classic children's literature like Pinocchio--and the Disney versions thereof. And if we get Aladdin, we're talking the Arabian Nights . . .
 
Hell that Chuck from Pushing Daisies as Captain Bonnie half naked having an Orgasm on top of Hook and...

Just terrible.
 
Santeria said:
Mr. Gold might have picked him because he's the catalyst for bring the curse to an end.

The thing I don't understand is why Mr. Gold would want to do that. His life in Storybrook seems to be far better than it was in his homeland.
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He may have some power and wealth in this new world, but he's still essentially a part of the Queen's "prison," and that probably doesn't sit too well with him.

It's also possible he misses his ability (or knowledge) to do magic, since it's not really clear yet if such a thing is even possible in Storybrooke. They could have been deposited in a world where those laws no longer apply, or maybe just no one knows how anymore. Except the queen, of course.
 
It looks like magic is still possible, since she was able to kill Huntsman by squeezing the heart in the safety deposit box.
 
Greg Cox said:
As I understand it, Regina does not know that Emma is the long-lost daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming. Or that Henry is Snow's grand-son. Mr. Gold arranged the adoption--and presumably has some sort of secret agenda for doing so.

(Does Gold know the truth? Maybe. The show is being deliberately ambiguous on this point. They're teasing us on purpose.)

Regina, who has always known she was the Wicked Queen, just thinks that Emma is Henry's troublesome biological mom, nothing more.
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I think this is what has been throwing me off. I must have just assumed that if she knew who she was then it'd be very easy to put the pieces of who Henry and Emma really are. The clues are right there, I mean the book, the clock and then of course there's simple arithmetic (Emma's age compared to how long they've been in limbo in our world.) I just attributed any Evil Queen like behaviour as the result of a sort of subconscious echo of her real memories.

I must have been crediting the show with a lot more subtlety than it deserved. I shall try to adjust my thinking! ;)
 
Reverend said:
I think this is what has been throwing me off. I must have just assumed that if she knew who she was then it'd be very easy to put the pieces of who Henry and Emma really are. The clues are right there, I mean the book, the clock and then of course there's simple arithmetic (Emma's age compared to how long they've been in limbo in our world.) I just attributed any Evil Queen like behaviour as the result of a sort of subconscious echo of her real memories.
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Well I can kind of see how, from her perspective, this really would just seem like an annoying stranger from the outside. Since the idea that the kid Snow White sent through the portal grew up... and then had a son... which she adopted... DOES seem like a stretch.

The last episode also raised the question of, just how long can this show keep people like the Sheriff from remembering the truth? Or at least questioning why they can't remember very far back? Because once that process starts, it seems like it wouldn't take long for the whole house of cards to collapse.

Or does the curse just reassert itself somehow and wipe away those doubts after they have them?
 
davejames said:
Reverend said:
I think this is what has been throwing me off. I must have just assumed that if she knew who she was then it'd be very easy to put the pieces of who Henry and Emma really are. The clues are right there, I mean the book, the clock and then of course there's simple arithmetic (Emma's age compared to how long they've been in limbo in our world.) I just attributed any Evil Queen like behaviour as the result of a sort of subconscious echo of her real memories.
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Well I can kind of see how, from her perspective, this really would just seem like an annoying stranger from the outside. Since the idea that the kid Snow White sent through the portal grew up... and then had a son... which she adopted... DOES seem like a stretch.

The last episode also raised the question of, just how long can this show keep people like the Sheriff from remembering the truth? Or at least questioning why they can't remember very far back? Because once that process starts, it seems like it wouldn't take long for the whole house of cards to collapse.

Or does the curse just reassert itself somehow and wipe away those doubts after they have them?
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That's why Regina is constantly doing maintenance, such as sending Charming to Mr. Gold's shop to find the windmill
 
Santeria said:
sojourner said:
No. No it wasn't.
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It was pretty much on par with all the other lousy "reimaginings" they've made over the years, such as their take on Oz.

How one can fawn over one but shit all over another is completely beyond me.
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I never said it wasn't on a par with the others. I merely disagreed with Timothy that it was "pretty good even for SyFy".

Please, point to any fawning that occurred.
 
davejames said:
Reverend said:
I think this is what has been throwing me off. I must have just assumed that if she knew who she was then it'd be very easy to put the pieces of who Henry and Emma really are. The clues are right there, I mean the book, the clock and then of course there's simple arithmetic (Emma's age compared to how long they've been in limbo in our world.) I just attributed any Evil Queen like behaviour as the result of a sort of subconscious echo of her real memories.
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Well I can kind of see how, from her perspective, this really would just seem like an annoying stranger from the outside. Since the idea that the kid Snow White sent through the portal grew up... and then had a son... which she adopted... DOES seem like a stretch.

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Yeah, at this point, Regina doesn't even know that Snow has a grand-son, or that said grand-son is Henry. (Didn't Henry mention that he had torn key pages out of his book to keep Regina from finding out about Emma?)

It's also possible that the essential timelessness of Storybrooke is throwing Regina off. Given that she and Emma appear to be roughly the same age, she's not likely to think of Emma as that baby from fairyland. She may understand how this might be possible intellectually, but she's still perceiving Emma as a contemporary, not a long-lost infant. (And certainly Mary Margaret doesn't look like a grandmother!)

By the way, did anyone else find that scene where Mary Margaret and Emma were comparing notes on their sex lives a bit odd, given that they're really mother and daughter?
 
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