OMG...the DEFINITIVE origin of Superman coming!!!
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B-I-N-G-O!!!
I'm done with DC. It started to snowball with cancelling GL @ #181 and then retconning 3/4 of the GL history to turn Hal Jordan into a messianic perfect boy scout. Oh, wait DC has a "boy scout" in Clark Kent.
Bringing Ollie Back.
Identity Crisis - the best thing there was the sidebar story of the brain wipe.
Infinite Crisis, OYL, Countdown and now Final Crisis*.
The capper being the resurrection of Barry Allen and ending the Flash title at #247.
Then the confirmation that Dan Dido never cared AT ALL about the modern DCU. I wish I could find it to quote verbaitm.
*paraphrase*"From the time I arrived at DC it was always my intention to bring back Hal and Barry. They were the icons I grew up with and the ones that should be around. I found my partner in crime in Geoff Johns and we set out to do just that. We would like to have brought Barry back last year but it just wasn't in the cards. *paraphrase*
What he does not say is just as important. That being that he DID NOT CARE about the modern DCU. He didn't care to instruct writers and creators to take what was and make it great. NO, he instructed them do deconstruct it and set the stage for a Silver Age redo.
I'm done with DC.
**until 2012 when the Ultimate We Mean It THIS time Absoulte Most Final of the Final Crisis takes place.
I thought the Hal's dalliance with pedophilia was charming.
Kinda proved that fearlessness was a byproduct of braindamge or some selective retardation. "I'm fearless! I'm not afraid of the laws against statutory rape!"
Geoff johns needs a spanking.
Kinda proved that fearlessness was a byproduct of braindamge or some selective retardation. "I'm fearless! I'm not afraid of the laws against statutory rape!"
Geoff johns needs a spanking.
Where'd that happen?
Arisa.
The yellow girl with big ears.
she was maybe 12 when they first met in the early 80s.
After the Crisis she joined the Green Lantern Corps Contingent on Earth.
One of her arguments in Green Lantern corps 203ish(it's around about there, I looked it up recently.) for why hal should get over himself and mount her, was that since her planet revolved twice as fast as earths, that she wasn't fifteen at all like she appeared to be, but that she was literally 30 years old and more than old enough to romance with Hal. A few issues later her ring force maturates the little alien girl into her mid 20s so that she can be Hal's perfect mate. The writer made up some bollocks about how her soul and mind had also been made older, but Hal didn't really get to discover if that was whitewash or not since, at the first sight of her with her new body, y'know exactly the same except a foot taller... he stuck his tongue down her throat and declared his love for her.
I was 11 years old when I was reading this first and I knew it was wrong.
Recently in Johns' Green Lantern, the subject of the Romance was brought up again, and Hal laughed because he admitted that he had foolishly assumed that she was a 12 year old when he met her, but he was wrong, because her race is quite long lived and despite appearances she was in fact hundreds of Earth years old.
The yellow girl with big ears.
she was maybe 12 when they first met in the early 80s.
After the Crisis she joined the Green Lantern Corps Contingent on Earth.
One of her arguments in Green Lantern corps 203ish(it's around about there, I looked it up recently.) for why hal should get over himself and mount her, was that since her planet revolved twice as fast as earths, that she wasn't fifteen at all like she appeared to be, but that she was literally 30 years old and more than old enough to romance with Hal. A few issues later her ring force maturates the little alien girl into her mid 20s so that she can be Hal's perfect mate. The writer made up some bollocks about how her soul and mind had also been made older, but Hal didn't really get to discover if that was whitewash or not since, at the first sight of her with her new body, y'know exactly the same except a foot taller... he stuck his tongue down her throat and declared his love for her.
I was 11 years old when I was reading this first and I knew it was wrong.
Recently in Johns' Green Lantern, the subject of the Romance was brought up again, and Hal laughed because he admitted that he had foolishly assumed that she was a 12 year old when he met her, but he was wrong, because her race is quite long lived and despite appearances she was in fact hundreds of Earth years old.
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Mephisto has a fulltime job in the DCU.
My bad. You are absolutely right, and if recent events are any indication, they're about to screw with Hawkman's history even more.
Fair enough. I think Matrix/Linda Danvers/whoever is supposed to be in Reign in Hell somewhere, but I haven't read that book so I can't say for sure.
As Nerys Myk said, there's three if you include the Earth-2 Power Girl.
*facepalm* I forgot about her completely. And to think, I really like Justice Society. Too many comics, too little time.
Amen
Its absolutely appaling that these guys came in and decided that they hated everything that happened since they were kids and simply threw it all away.
Amen
Its absolutely appaling that these guys came in and decided that they hated everything that happened since they were kids and simply threw it all away.
You know that the Mona Lisa used to have about a few inches more of portrait either side of the girl? Pillars apparently.they were extractyed in 1519 when Leo died.
Somethign they completely forgot about in City of Death.
And yet, isn't Dan Didio also responsible for Captain Marvel's drastic makeover--killing off the old wizard Shazam, turning Billy Batson into the white-costumed "Marvel" and promoting Freddy Freeman as a new superhero named "Shazam"? Sadly, DC boss Dan Didio wasn't thinking Silver Age in this case.
I hope the changes to Captain Marvel are not permanent, and that we'll see something more traditional like Jerry Ordway's The Power of Shazam! again someday.
Have you tried the Junior brand?
I read the first issue, it was pretty good considering it was designed for the 5-10 year old market.
But it seems like there's a serious degree of no confidence that they spend all this time rebranding the character to shelf him after all the shakedowns to the magical corner of the DCU afer Infniite Crisis.
I read the first issue, it was pretty good considering it was designed for the 5-10 year old market.
But it seems like there's a serious degree of no confidence that they spend all this time rebranding the character to shelf him after all the shakedowns to the magical corner of the DCU afer Infniite Crisis.
I've heard of the kids' version of Shazam! and I've seen art from it. But it just isn't for me.
I take it that the new "Marvel" (Billy Batson in the white suit) isn't a major player in the DCU today?
I take it that the new "Marvel" (Billy Batson in the white suit) isn't a major player in the DCU today?
To leave the rock of eternity, even briefly it's like he's playing hooky.
The final pages of the wizard Shazam were intense. He takes off his cloak to reveal this killer bod and then goes all King-Fu on the Spectre's ass.
A contingent of magic users just arrived on the gates of ( the fully restored, former bottle city of) Kandor in the New Krypton arc running through the Superman titles right this second, to lay down the law after the new population of Kryptonians have decided to flout human law just a little too contemptuously. I think Billy was with them and not Freddie.
You don't even want to know what's happened to Mary.
The final pages of the wizard Shazam were intense. He takes off his cloak to reveal this killer bod and then goes all King-Fu on the Spectre's ass.
A contingent of magic users just arrived on the gates of ( the fully restored, former bottle city of) Kandor in the New Krypton arc running through the Superman titles right this second, to lay down the law after the new population of Kryptonians have decided to flout human law just a little too contemptuously. I think Billy was with them and not Freddie.
You don't even want to know what's happened to Mary.
Captain Marvel wasn't really that big a player. He never really has been due to the copyright issues involved thanks to Marvel. DC has been trying to figure out what to do with him since the Silver Age. Dido and company are just doing what those before him did with the character. Trying to make him viable.
It's a bit baffling how they can take Black Adam and make him an integral part of the DCU but still stumble about with Captain Marvel. In addition to copyright issues I think part of the problem, outside of his own books, is it is tough to to give him a platform. In the JLA, Superman makes him a bit redundant as does Powergirl in the JSA. Even so, I like the character and hope they can work a way to get more use out of him.
Don't know much about this new Shazam character. Although I did read The Trials of Shazam, the run up books where Freddy Freeman took over the Captain Marvel cape and found them to be good.
You really don't, and you can tell that the minute you take a look at her hair.
I'm cautiously optimistic that the upcoming Marvel Family story in Justice Society which Ordway is co-writing (with Geoff Johns) and drawing will, in some way, repair some of the damage to Mary Marvel. When the Countdown cover was released of Mary Marvel in the Black Adam costume, Ordway was vocal in his opposition to the darkening of the character. So, my hope is that Ordway gets to "reset" Mary Marvel back to something closer to what she was. (And the recent hint in Final Crisis that it's Desaad inside Mary Marvel's head certainly offers an out -- she's been possessed all along and forced to do evil against her will.)
Hal Jordan redo anyone?
I was possessed! It really wasn't me.
Seems early to be going back to that Deus ExMachina already.
Team Dido=One Trick Pony?
Actually, National Periodical Publications shut down Captain Marvel Adventures and its spin-offs for being a rip-off of Superman. The only copyright issue with the company that would later become Marvel Comics Group was that the TITLE of the book couldn't include the word Marvel, which is why it's been "With One Magic Word...SHAZAM!" and "Power of SHAZAM!" and various iterations of the wizard's name.
I think they willingly accept the fact that it was, in fact, THEIR "Captain Marvel" character that came along well after the big red cheese, even though HIS titles had been suspended from the early '50s to the '70s.
And it was all going so well for her to being retroactively inserted into Kieth Giffen's "I can't believe it's not the Justice League". Kevin McGuire did a delightful Mary...
Though, her name is Black Mary these days which makes her an AntiMadonna. (Actually it's also what they called Mary Magdalen.)
Does that mean that she's going to do it with Darkseid and carry one of his children?