OMG...the DEFINITIVE origin of Superman coming!!!
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First of all, I'm frankly stunned by the cynicism and bitterness of some of you fanboys here. Yes, there have been two "reboots" to Superman's origin since 1985's Crisis on Infinite Earths. Byrne's was necessary, if ill-conceived (he's admitted this himself a few times, esp. because of the loss of Superboy) and the second, Birthright, was ill-planned and ill-timed. As a life-long Superman fan and comic book reader, I am thrilled about this new origin. Despite what Christopher said, it will indeed deal with Krypton, specifically, the aftermath of Brainiac's "removal" of Kandor and how the planet reacted to the loss of its capital city. It will also serve to re-introduce Superboy, since the legal fiasco that led to "Superman Prime" and the animated "Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes" is now settled. As I've stated in other threads, Johns' run on Action Comics has been truly excellent, far better than the oft-overhyped "All-Star Superman" even. Superman: Secret Origin will be the new, definitive origin, coming on the heals of the Final Crisis in the history of the DC Universe. Naysayers can dismiss this story and its potential based on the bitter supposition that it may one day be undone, but I opt to look forward to it. Dan Didio has admitted in a few recent interviews that Crisis on Infinite Earths was a mistake, and the goal of the last few years, even despite some big misfires, was to restore a Multiverse, a great deal of the Silver Age continuity (i.e., Ollie Queen and Hal Jordan) as well as Superboy and the true Legion of Super-Heroes. The other goal Didio had was to bring back Barry Allen and to restore Superman's continuity, as it had suffered perhaps more than any other character's in the post-COIE fallout. The company is finally giving fans what it deserves, unlike the trashy shysters across the street. I don't see why there's so much distrust and hate.
John and Mary? That's old school, even older school than me. I'm hoping for Eben and Sarah Kent to return.Does this mean that poor John and Mary Kent have to die and/or get re-named again?
I think the point most are peeved about is that there is absolutely no guarantee that DC is not going to commission a newer more definitive reorigin designed to trump this one three years down the line.
It's not that we don't have no faith that it won't be any good, cause we do, but we don't have no faith that it won't be quickly superseded is all. It's a crying shame that there is no longer no permanence to these peoples works that they are retroactively reclassified as elseworlds and imaginary almost preautoredundantly.
It's not that we don't have no faith that it won't be any good, cause we do, but we don't have no faith that it won't be quickly superseded is all. It's a crying shame that there is no longer no permanence to these peoples works that they are retroactively reclassified as elseworlds and imaginary almost preautoredundantly.
Norrin Radd
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preautoredundantly?
Redundant is when something is made useless and/or irrelevant after it is created or purchased.
Autoredundant is when something is useless and/or irrelevant as it created or purchased.
Preautoredundant is when something is useless and/or irrelvant before it is created or purchased.
It's all very simple.
You never heard of Grott before?
Autoredundant is when something is useless and/or irrelevant as it created or purchased.
Preautoredundant is when something is useless and/or irrelvant before it is created or purchased.
It's all very simple.
You never heard of Grott before?
Norrin Radd
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Grott?
Exactly what has been settled? This is news to me. Perhaps someone could elaborate on the latest legal developments.
I may be annoyed at the prospect of yet another "new, definitive" origin for Superman, but I'm willing to give it a chance. Frankly, I was perfectly fine with the non-existence of Superboy. The first issue better be a knockout.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073990/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grot
Soluble Umbrellas and square hoops.
Which is fine. I like having Earth-2 back.
This was, IMHO, a mistake. These had become legacy heroes -- Connor Hawke became Green Arrow, Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern. Green Lantern especially didn't need Hal Jordan to return. Don't misunderstand, I like Hal. But Hal's day was done, and now DC doesn't have a clue what to do with Kyle.
Many of the decisions regarding the Legion in 1989 and 1994 stemmed from DC's decision to have Byrne remove Superboy from continuity. While the 1989's reboot was unfortunate (they rebooted the 30th century twice in the span of three issues as Glorith's magic rewrote history), it created what's probably my favorite Legion period -- Five Years Later. I'd grown up with these characters, and now they were adults, dealing with serious problems, while training a new generation of heroes. I loved it. Now, that's the red-headed stepchild of Legion continuity; the "lead" Legion in Legion of Three Worlds is an alternate version of that Legion, and that's the Legion that we're going to get post-Final Crisis.
I'm still hanging my head in confusion on this one.
I didn't know that the lawsuit over the use of Superboy had been settled...that's good news. I re-read that article again and yes apprently there is no Krypton at all and as people have explained takes place from Clark's earliest child hood memories in Smallville.
Birthright was all right...I think the only thing that was taken from it was having Lex Luthor and Clark Kent's friendship in Smallville. It was mentioned in one of the Action Comics tie-ins to Infinite Crisis while Lex was jetting around in a hover car. I like bits and pieces of John Bryne's Man of Steel reboot and Superman of all Season's as my Krypton and Smallville fix.
As I said in my post...Geoff Johns has been doing an excellent job on Action Comics, in fact his work has got me back into Superman comics after an absence of amost eight years. I abandoned them shortly after the Brainiac 13 virus upgrade of Metropolis and the President Lex storyline.
Think the trouble with this thread is that every few years DC takes it upon its self to retell the origin of Superman but then a writer comes along who wants to put his own stamp on and they go with it. This sounds like an editorial decision to revamp things, the Zod storyline and the Leigon of Superheroes seems like early threads. Isn't this suppossed to be his Superman swan song before he leaves the title to jump onboard Flash: Rebirth? There was an article in last month's Wizard with a statement from him that he would be leaving Action Comics during the summer time. Not sure if he was going back.
Birthright was all right...I think the only thing that was taken from it was having Lex Luthor and Clark Kent's friendship in Smallville. It was mentioned in one of the Action Comics tie-ins to Infinite Crisis while Lex was jetting around in a hover car. I like bits and pieces of John Bryne's Man of Steel reboot and Superman of all Season's as my Krypton and Smallville fix.
As I said in my post...Geoff Johns has been doing an excellent job on Action Comics, in fact his work has got me back into Superman comics after an absence of amost eight years. I abandoned them shortly after the Brainiac 13 virus upgrade of Metropolis and the President Lex storyline.
Think the trouble with this thread is that every few years DC takes it upon its self to retell the origin of Superman but then a writer comes along who wants to put his own stamp on and they go with it. This sounds like an editorial decision to revamp things, the Zod storyline and the Leigon of Superheroes seems like early threads. Isn't this suppossed to be his Superman swan song before he leaves the title to jump onboard Flash: Rebirth? There was an article in last month's Wizard with a statement from him that he would be leaving Action Comics during the summer time. Not sure if he was going back.
I would much prefer if Superboy stayed out of it; that concept cheapens his becoming Superman.
Heh...I remember some backup stories about "Superbaby" Kal-El...he talked like Bizarro and did crazy stuff creating a huge headache for his adoptive parents. He even had his little blue and red outfit with a little cape and everything.
Me like baby Kal. Me think him should be canon!
Me like baby Kal. Me think him should be canon!
Which is why they took Superboy out post-Crisis.
I say "they" because it wasn't Byrne's decision to remove Superboy. It was, rather, an editorial mandate from Dick Giordano. Byrne just had to make it work.
The post-Crisis fixes for that, though... The Pocket Universe was fine. Collapsing the Pocket Universe so that Superboy no longer existed and Mon-El took his place in history worked, too. But then it got really confusing with the "Time and Time Again" storyline in the Superman titles in 1991; you had a post-Mon-El retcon Legion remembering Superboy, you had Laurel Gand (who was the post-Crisis replacement for Supergirl in the Legion) remembering Superboy. All a bit weird.
From Superman's perspective, he's met several different, mutally-exclusive Legions in the post-Crisis continuity. Thanks to the Pocket Universe, he's met the pre-Crisis Legion. He met the Five Years Later Legion in "Time and Time Again." He met Batch SW6 Legionaires in Zero Hour. He met the post-Zero Hour reboot Legion (and thought they were a pre-Zero Hour Legion). And he's met the pre-Crisis Legion post-Infinite Crisis a few times now. (Most recently in Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds.) Then, Connor was a member of the reboot Legion, while Supergirl was a member of the threeboot Legion, and now Superman himself was a member of the pre-Crisis Legion.
Just thinking about that is enough to give you a nosebleed.
That's just one article. Head over to www.comicbloc.com/forums and read some of the threads on Secret Origin. Geoff posts there from time to time and has mentioned that this will cover more than just Smallville. It's also obvious from the cover to issue four that Krypton will indeed be covered. And if you've been reading the current Action Comics run, you'll see that the Brainiac storyline doesn't touch anything on Krypton except for the abduction of Kandor...which means that Johns is leaving the re-told escape from Krypton for this series. How could any new origin of Superman not deal with Krypton?!
It is a little surprising, especially to this degree. On the other hand, this is the internet, where cynicism and bitterness run unfettered....
He should only hope to produce something under his reign that's as good as the original Crisis was (and I say that as someone who's fully aware of all its shortcomings, of which there were many).
Nope, can't go there. Wonder Woman's continuity has suffered more than Superman's, and Donna Troy's has suffered even more than that (to the degree that she apparently doesn't even have a super-hero name any more). And by my count there have been at least three different versions of Supergirl since the Man of Steel reboot.
'Cause it's easier to pick holes in things than to offer any constructive criticism. I do agree with your description of the "trashy shysters", though.
In the 20th century, he was Valor. In the post-Zero Hour 30th century, he was called M'onel.Who the hell is Mon-El? Sounds like his name was taken from Monday and Kal's last name!
Didn't they change Lar Gand's hero name to Val-Or or something similar?
The 20th century Mon-El is currently appearing in Superman and Action Comics. It looks like he's going to be sprung from the Phantom Zone in the aftermath of the New Krypton crossover.
Hell, his origin was so tweaked that a while he was from Daxam and not Krypton.