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True, there’s a difference between cutting out Tom Bombadil and making a sad ending happier.

Stella running out in Stanley at the end, not exactly a happy ending but happier than it was supposed to be.

Also, Secret Of Nimh and the magic tear.

You might as well have Juliet, instead of poisoning herself, shed a single tear and have Romeo spring back to life.
 
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On the other hand, there are adaptations that were mostly true to the books but left out their weaker parts and are generally considered improvements, like The Godfather and Jaws. Like I said, it's not about the category, it's about the individual cases. There are always going to be some attempts that work and others that fail, and it makes no sense to blame the failures on the entire category.

Sometimes those compromises that have to be made do indeed render improvements on the original.
I will go so far as to say that SOME of the changes done in Peter Jackson's LOTR films were improvements on Tolkien. I doubt many modern editors would have let Tolkein get away with some of his blind-alley musing, though publishers do seem be big on endless world building of late. I say that as someone that loves a good meandering Tolkien book. But I can like the pacing of the Jackson films just as much. If anything I would have cut out more of the Sam-endlessly-encourages-Frodo bits.

Zach Snyder's Watchmen was another where there simply wasn't going to be room or time for a convoluted plot about making a giant squid monster and how that would help save the world from a nuclear Armageddon, to say nothing of having essentially a separate plot about a comic involving pirates, t If it had been a miniseries, there might have been time, and it is interesting that the new series is going to return to the original material.

I will admit: I've tried to get through Cloud Atlas (the book) a few times. I find it almost unreadable, whereas I loved the film version.
 
Sometimes those compromises that have to be made do indeed render improvements on the original.

Yes -- and indeed, that's one of the best reasons for doing an adaptation in the first place. One thing laypeople often don't get, since they only see the final version of a work, is that creation is a long process of trial and error, of successive drafts and revisions. Every new pass you get to take on a story is a chance to make it better, to fix the mistakes or weaknesses that didn't get fixed before. So an adaptation or a remake is an opportunity to improve a story, at least in some respects. Of course, it doesn't always work, but at its best, an adaptation can distill the best parts of a work and leave out the weaker parts. (For instance, the Spider-Man: The Animated Series adaptation of the comics' rather meandering alien costume/Venom saga was so much tighter, better, and more effective that it's informed every adaptation since.)
 
Laurie Johnson's score for DR. STRANGELOVE is also memorable.
One of my permanent top-ten movies (some of the other slots in the ten have changed over the years), and the music is most definitely a stand out. The sort of manic version of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" is especially memorable.
 
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No, that's hardly true -- I don't know why you'd believe that. There were plenty of SF movies with orchestral scores in earlier decades. The Day the Earth Stood Still, This Island Earth, The War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, pretty much any Ray Harryhausen movie, Fantastic Voyage, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, The Creature from the Black Lagoon and its sequels, even most of the low-budget films of Roger Corman or Bert I. Gordon. The exceptions were the films that didn't have original orchestral scores, like Forbidden Planet with its "electronic tonalities" or 2001 with its reliance on stock music. There were a number of great composers doing orchestral scores for genre movies back then, like Bernard Herrmann and Miklos Rozsa. As well as composers who did orchestral scores for lots of B movies, like Herman Stein, Hans J. Salter, and Albert Glasser. Yes, there were some movies that had jazz scores or pop scores later on, but there were many traditional orchestral scores alongside them, even if the orchestras were sometimes fairly small. (Which wasn't a bad thing. Herrmann's classic Psycho score was done entirely with strings.)
Henry Mancini did "This Island Earth" I like it.
 
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The specific kind of change that bothers me is maybe narrower than I originally expressed.

It’s when the movie makes complex ideas simpler, dark ideas brighter, or controversial ideas inoffensive.

Like, I don’t care that Beautiful Mind removes huge parts of his life. It bothers me that they turned a guy known for sexually assaulting his roommates into a schizophrenic version of Sheldon Cooper.
 
So an adaptation or a remake is an opportunity to improve a story, at least in some respects. Of course, it doesn't always work, but at its best, an adaptation can distill the best parts of a work and leave out the weaker parts.

Same is true for cover songs, where in certain cases a cover has become the definitive version over the original because it's improved over the original, to the point that many feel the band covering it originated it, with the original lost to the perils of historical obscurity. People will often be surprised to hear that the popular definitive version isn't an original.
 
I will admit: I've tried to get through Cloud Atlas (the book) a few times. I find it almost unreadable, whereas I loved the film version.
There's a book? I didn't know that. I just might have to track that down. Maybe it'll help me to understand the story better. I found the movie incomprehensible.

About the talk about adaptions. Has there ever been a case where the movie followed the book (whatever it is) exactly? I've always been interested to see that, as a curiosity if nothing else.
 
I don't know about "book to movie" being exact, but when it came to novelizations of Doctor Who serials, Terrance Dicks' adaptations read pretty much as near exact "transcripts", almost to the point of "...the Doctor said...", "...the Dalek responded...". I bought Dicks' novel of The Five Doctors, thinking it might elaborate upon certain elements of the 20th anniversary special. Nope. I can't recall any new "detail" added. A lot of DW fans loved "Uncle Terry" for his "no nonsense" approach, but I found myself, meh, wanting a bit more.
 
About the talk about adaptions. Has there ever been a case where the movie followed the book (whatever it is) exactly? I've always been interested to see that, as a curiosity if nothing else.

I'm not sure an exact adaptation of a prose novel is even possible, since the two media are so different. An exact adaptation would be something like an audiobook, with a narrator reciting every word that wasn't in quoted dialogue.
 
Maybe the best example if that is Hendrix's version of "All Along the Watchtower".

"Blinded By The Light" by Manfred Mann (original by Bruce Springsteen) is tied or a close second.

I'm not sure an exact adaptation of a prose novel is even possible, since the two media are so different. An exact adaptation would be something like an audiobook, with a narrator reciting every word that wasn't in quoted dialogue.

The same would be true for adaptations of comic books. Yet there are a shocking number of people that think that using the art of same as production design etc. would give them the adaptations they want to see. The reality is, the low budget TV movie adaptations of the '60s and '70s are the closest they'll ever get to what they want. The necessary changes to the final product seen in the this century as compared to the original comics and characters (costumes included) are to bring in an audience that the purists want excluded, without realizing that doing so would return us to those low budget TV movies that never satisfied. You can't cater to an audience too small to justify the necessary budget for a theatrical release. That never works.
 
Given that so many novels experiment, I wonder whether anybody wrote a novel consisting entirely of quotation-marked dialogue and nothing else.....which could lead to anonymous characters. Maybe that's been attempted somewhere

I think I've seen occasional short stories like that, though I don't think it'd be sustainable for a whole novel. My first attempt at a submission to the Star Trek: Strange New Worlds anthology contest way back when was written that way, because it took place entirely within the Q Continuum and thus there was no way to describe the characters, setting, or actions in human terms.

Of course, you could say that any novel told in the first person is essentially all quoted dialogue, especially if it's presented as a transcription of a tale the narrator is telling to a listener, like Peter David's Star Trek: The Captain's Table: Once Burned, or large portions of at least two of the four canonical Sherlock Holmes novels (said portions having quotation marks around their entire text). But that's not the sort of thing you're talking about.

I suppose the closest thing to an "exact" screen adaptation of a book would be one where every line of dialogue is quoted verbatim, every action occurs as described in the book, every character and setting matches the book's physical description thereof, and nothing is altered, omitted, or added. But that would be quite difficult to achieve. For one thing, you'd probably need a 4- or 5-hour movie, unless it were a short novel. For another, finding actors who were perfect matches for both the look and the personality of the characters and had sufficient talent would be very hard to do. Also, what about the characters' internal monologues, the exposition given only in narration? You could have a narrator or voiceovers for that, but those aren't popular techniques in film these days.

The Hunger Games
is a very faithful adaptation as far as it goes, but it can't go as deep into Katniss's inner thoughts and motivations as the book could, and while the book was strictly first-person from Katniss's POV, the film adds scenes from other perspectives to give information and context the book gave through narration. Even so, it left out some key things, like the whole reason for the title -- that the Games are accepted because they're presented as a charity event, an opportunity for starvation-stricken districts to win ample supplies of food and resources, rather than just the arbitrary punishment ritual they were in the film. The whole starvation angle is really glossed over in the film, which I found a very strange oversight.

That's the thing. Moving from one medium to another is an act of translation between different languages -- the verbal and conceptual language of prose and the visual and temporal language of film. Every translator has to make judgment calls about how best to translate between languages, and some information will invariably be lost or altered in the process. And no two translators will agree on which information is most important to preserve, or what the best equivalent will be.
 
As one who reads a ton of books, when a book gets optioned to a movie, I'm excited, and my hope would be for a faithfull adaptation.
Now faithful is a bit of stretch idea. I know its going from 1 medium to another, alot of books do that "Inner Voice" or "god voice that shows you the reader something that the protagonist doesn't know" etc.
But in the general idea of, you have these set of characters, and they go on this journey, like with other adaptations, they might not make every pit stop, or meet every person, but in a general way, its the same journey to the same place, and if some battle or moment was key in the book, I'd expect it in the movie.
What i don't like is they take a book, take the characters, then take them on some other journey that only has a passing resembelence to the book. or they take the characters and put them in a completly new story ( looking at you Starship Troopers, ghost in the shell)
Now if there is some areas that could be improved, I don't mind that, but As a fan of the book that is the movies "Built In Fan base" I would expect a good near faithful as possible adaptation, and if I read reviews that its not faithfull, I aint going to go spend money on it.. because.. It isn't the book!
 
What i don't like is they take a book, take the characters, then take them on some other journey that only has a passing resembelence to the book. or they take the characters and put them in a completly new story

Why is that bad, though? If you've read the book, then you've already experienced the story. If you want to experience it again the same way, you can just reread the book. The thing that makes it worth doing a new version is that it's not exactly the same, that it adds something new that wasn't in the original. Okay, sometimes that's just things like the actors' performances and the chance to see things onscreen that you only imagined before, but it can also be taking the story itself or its basic concepts in a substantially new and different direction. As I mentioned, movies like Blade Runner and Who Framed Roger Rabbit? prove that such loose adaptations can be just as good as the books or even better.

The key is not to think of an adaptation as a replacement or competitor for the original work. The original work is still there. An adaptation is a distinct work that just uses the original as its inspiration. It exists separately from the original, and its merits and flaws are its own. After all, a large part of the reason for adapting something to a new medium is to expose it to a different audience, to people that aren't familiar with the original work. So it has its own independent existence. Think of it like an offspring. It has its parent's genes, but it has its own individual identity that it grows into.
 
@Christopher
Lets take a book series that is SCREAMING to have some type of adaptation, either Tv or Movie
Honor Harrington ( don't know if you've read it or not)
There are 10 main books and a number of side books
Its a grand space adventure, and it would look killer on screen.. now why do I want an adaptation? Merchandise!! I want model kits, toys, blankets etc. of the charachers, ships etc. that I have near Zero of now.. its just a book series. If it does badly.. I get no merchandise!!
Now, there was an adaptation of the series.. Comic Book.. It was a disaster.. They done some weird story, artwork didn't depict the ships or characters as they were discribed in the books..
Now, I understand that some books, if done by the book, would be 5 hours long and cost 700million to produce.. So it is an adaptation, and I understand there will be changes, hopefully for the better.
 
Its a grand space adventure, and it would look killer on screen.. now why do I want an adaptation? Merchandise!! I want model kits, toys, blankets etc. of the charachers, ships etc. that I have near Zero of now.. its just a book series. If it does badly.. I get no merchandise!!

Sure, but whether something does well as a film is unrelated to whether it's faithful to the source material. As you say, a book series has a much smaller audience than a movie series, so the vast majority of prospective viewers for a movie adaptation will be newcomers. All they'll care about is whether the story is entertaining; they'll have no idea whether it's faithful. And whether it's faithful or not, its very existence will attract new readers to the original books. Indeed, sometimes the appeal of seeking out the original work after you've seen the adaptation is to see how different it was. For myself, I think it's more interesting that way.
 
"Blinded By The Light" by Manfred Mann (original by Bruce Springsteen) is tied or a close second.
While Manfred Mann's cover of Blinded is more well-know and/or popular it is not, IMO better than or an improvement of Springsteen's original recording of the song.
 
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