okay..YOU cast it...

[ancient]

Ok ok, I just don't like the Scotty-komedy angle.

As seen in the trailer anyway.

And they couldn't drive the point through Michael Bay's skull that the reason he was named "Bumblebee" was directly related to his being a VW Bug, and that changing him to a Camaro kinda loses something.

Kinda explains the cluelessness with regard to the Enterprise, now that I think about it...

Weren't they legally barred from using the VW bug? Doesn't seem like it's the writer's fault to me.

Besides, TF is just an adaptation of a toy/cartoon for kids, it's not exactly an indication of the writing style to be used on a Trek movie. TF kiddie humor should be expected, imo. Then again, I'm not a TF fan.

 

[Tinkertoyz76]

they were not legally barred from using a VW bug.,other wise you wouldnt have seen them quite prominantly feature a vw bug, in the scene in which we are introduced to the camaro bumblebee.

 

[number6]

they were not legally barred from using a VW bug.,other wise you wouldnt have seen them quite prominantly feature a vw bug, in the scene in which we are introduced to the camaro bumblebee.

Either way..it has nothing to do with the writers.

 

[Venardhi]

they were not legally barred from using a VW bug.,other wise you wouldnt have seen them quite prominantly feature a vw bug, in the scene in which we are introduced to the camaro bumblebee.

VW didn't want them using it as one of the transformers because they didn't want to be associated with machines of war(something of a sore spot for them).

They had no problem with a cameo 'in-joke' appearance though, and probably couldn't have stopped them anyways other than barring them from featuring the VW ornament on the hood.

However, I think Bay had already decided it wanted some American muscle for Bumblebee so as to work within the concept he had of Bumblebee being somewhat badass and helping LeDouche find his confidence and whatnot.

 

[Kelso]

Sinese would be a good McCoy except he is too old. Urban seems like he should do fine, as long as he doesn't frak up the Georgia accent.

Oh, he'll frak it up. It isn't just a Georgia accent... it's a Georgia accent from 2 generations ago. De Kelley was the same age as my grandparents and their friends. I've not heard anyone under 70 talk that way.

Urban would be better off doing his own thing with the part. I don't expect him to sound anything like Kelley.

Wassisface is a "bigger name." I think that decision is going to bite everyone in the butt when the guy is singled out as the worst element in the entire movie.

Wassisface is also more talented than McGillion (who, BTW, is dull as dishwater). Hell, Wassisface is probably the more versatile actor in the cast.

If Scotty is screwed up, we won't have Wassisface to blame.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Wassisface is a "bigger name." I think that decision is going to bite everyone in the butt when the guy is singled out as the worst element in the entire movie.

Wassisface is also more talented than McGillion (who, BTW, is dull as dishwater). Hell, Wassisface is probably the more versatile actor in the cast.

If Scotty is screwed up, we won't have Wassisface to blame.

Anyone who watched 'Spaced' knows how good (and versatile) and actor Pegg was in that. I think he'll most likely do a fine job as Scotty.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Wassisface is a "bigger name." I think that decision is going to bite everyone in the butt when the guy is singled out as the worst element in the entire movie.

Wassisface is also more talented than McGillion (who, BTW, is dull as dishwater). Hell, Wassisface is probably the more versatile actor in the cast.

If Scotty is screwed up, we won't have Wassisface to blame.

Indeed.
I don't get all this love for McGillion and this desire to have him as Scotty. He's mediocre at best and annoying (from what I've seen in SGA) .
Now that would be awful casting.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Wassisface is a "bigger name." I think that decision is going to bite everyone in the butt when the guy is singled out as the worst element in the entire movie.

Wassisface is also more talented than McGillion (who, BTW, is dull as dishwater). Hell, Wassisface is probably the more versatile actor in the cast.

If Scotty is screwed up, we won't have Wassisface to blame.

Indeed.
I don't get all this love for McGillion and this desire to have him as Scotty. He's mediocre at best and annoying (from what I've seen in SGA) .
Now that would be awful casting.

Pegg is great, but he just has almost nothing in common with Doohan. That's not a negative towards the GUY, only a negative towards the CASTING.

Actually, I'd have loved to have seen Pegg as Finnegan.

 

[JoeZhang]

Pegg is great, but he just has almost nothing in common with Doohan. That's not a negative towards the GUY, only a negative towards the CASTING.

Then whoever has cast him in the Doohan biopic really has a problem.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Pegg is great, but he just has almost nothing in common with Doohan. That's not a negative towards the GUY, only a negative towards the CASTING.

Then whoever has cast him in the Doohan biopic really has a problem.

Ummm.. did I miss something? I'm not familiar with any such biopic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pegg was hired to play Scotty not Doohan.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Pegg was hired to play Scotty not Doohan.

Yes, but Scotty wasn't defined by books, or short stories, or even so much by scripts. Scotty was defined, almost entirely, by how he was portrayed by Doohan.

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell? I mean... if you don't care how the character was portrayed, presented, acted... all of that... in the past, what DO you care about?

Pegg is a fine actor with a much better range than most folks would attribute to him over here... but he's totally different from Doohan, and Doohan's performance is the ONLY thing that has ever defined "Scotty" in the past. So, the character he's playing is unlikely to have much in common with the character we've all known for 40+ years.

 

[Gepard]

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell?

Or replace Dirk Benedict with Katee Sachoff!
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They did?

Oh.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pegg was hired to play Scotty not Doohan.

Yes, but Scotty wasn't defined by books, or short stories, or even so much by scripts. Scotty was defined, almost entirely, by how he was portrayed by Doohan.

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell? I mean... if you don't care how the character was portrayed, presented, acted... all of that... in the past, what DO you care about?

Pegg is a fine actor with a much better range than most folks would attribute to him over here... but he's totally different from Doohan, and Doohan's performance is the ONLY thing that has ever defined "Scotty" in the past. So, the character he's playing is unlikely to have much in common with the character we've all known for 40+ years.

I'll wait until I see that performance. Until then we got nothing. Again Doohan's "Scotty" was a performance. He put on an accent and pretended to love his bairns and his scotch. All we know about Pegg's take is that his "Scotty" finds the Enterprise exciting and he has an Scots accent ( something that Doohan's version lacked according to some ) I assume the drinking will be established later. So we seem to be 2 for 3 right now.

Doohan's performance is not whats being discussed or dismissed as irrelevent. What is being discussed is how much an actor in the role of "Scotty" needs to look like Doohan or if his take should just be a bad immitation of Doohans's "Scotty". I've seen Doohan, he wasn't 100% "Scotty" in real life.

Far too many fans want the new actors to look like the previous cast and do impersonations out of an SNL skit.

 

[M'Sharak]

Pegg is great, but he just has almost nothing in common with Doohan. That's not a negative towards the GUY, only a negative towards the CASTING.

Pegg was hired to play Scotty not Doohan.

Yes, but Scotty wasn't defined by books, or short stories, or even so much by scripts. Scotty was defined, almost entirely, by how he was portrayed by Doohan.

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant...

I don't think anyone's claiming that it is irrelevant.

What we have had are statements on several occasions by more than one of the cast saying that they have used elements of the original portrayals as guidelines, but that they have tried to avoid outright imitation -- i.e., Pine is playing Kirk, not trying to play Shatner playing Kirk; Quinto is playing Spock, not trying to play Nimoy playing Spock; Pegg is playing Scotty, not trying to play Doohan playing Scotty, etc. I've seen objections raised over whether the actors cast for this movie physically resemble the actors who originally played the parts, but I personally see appearance as being a far less important issue than whether they are able to convey the characters successfully.

Pegg has said in interviews that it's important to him to do justice to the character of Scotty, and until I see more than a single line in a trailer, I'll have to take him at his word that he meant what he said. I do not, however, expect at all that he will look or sound exactly like Doohan's Scotty; I don't see that as being a reasonable or a practical thing even to attempt, for this movie or any other.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell?

Or replace Dirk Benedict with Katee Sachoff!
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They did?

Oh.

True, but nobody (except when they're trying to be really, really argumentative) would argue that Kirk Benedict and Katee Sachoff played the same character... or even substantially SIMILAR characters.

Benedict's Starbuck was an optimist, everyone's friend... yes, this was all a cover for his own pain, but still.. his personality wasn't even distantly similar to the "I hate everyone and everything" attitude of Sachoff's Kara Thrace.

So, I don't see that as a counter-argument at all. If anything, it provides support for my original point.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Pegg was hired to play Scotty not Doohan.

Yes, but Scotty wasn't defined by books, or short stories, or even so much by scripts. Scotty was defined, almost entirely, by how he was portrayed by Doohan.

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell? I mean... if you don't care how the character was portrayed, presented, acted... all of that... in the past, what DO you care about?

Pegg is a fine actor with a much better range than most folks would attribute to him over here... but he's totally different from Doohan, and Doohan's performance is the ONLY thing that has ever defined "Scotty" in the past. So, the character he's playing is unlikely to have much in common with the character we've all known for 40+ years.

I'll wait until I see that performance. Until then we got nothing. Again Doohan's "Scotty" was a performance. He put on an accent and pretended to love his bairns and his scotch. All we know about Pegg's take is that his "Scotty" finds the Enterprise exciting and he has an Scots accent ( something that Doohan's version lacked according to some ) I assume the drinking will be established later. So we seem to be 2 for 3 right now.

Doohan's performance is not whats being discussed or dismissed as irrelevent. What is being discussed is how much an actor in the role of "Scotty" needs to look like Doohan or if his take should just be a bad immitation of Doohans's "Scotty". I've seen Doohan, he wasn't 100% "Scotty" in real life.

Far too many fans want the new actors to look like the previous cast and do impersonations out of an SNL skit.

That's not remotely what I'm saying.

Doohan's Montgomery Scott was a scowling, dour character with a real curmudgeonly "bite" to him. My mental image of Scotty is him, sitting in the captain's chair, eyes squinted as he stares down a hostile situation while Kirk and Co are stranded on a planet surface... or him growling under his breath as he crawls up the Jeffries tube to try and perform some miracle.

It's not the accent... or even so much the physical appearance... but rather the general FEEL. Scotty had his humor, sure, but he was often one of the more grim characters on the ship, and it just felt NATURAL to him.

Pegg can play "hard-ass" (see "Hot Fuzz") and I'd hope that his Scotty might incorporate SOME of that... but he's just so easy-going in everything I've ever seen him in. He lacks the INTENSITY that Doohan's version had, in other words.

I'm a fan of "Sean of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz" and "Spaced" and most other places I've seen him. I just can't process him as being the same guy as Doohan was playing.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe he'll be the most inspired bit of casting on the film.

Or maybe it'll be what I've been worried about all along... he's someone who Abrams already knew and liked, and Abrams gave this part out to have yet another of his pals around. Sort of "nepotism" without the blood connection, in other words. (Not that there's anything especially rare about nepotism where Star Trek is concerned).

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Benedict's Starbuck was an optimist, everyone's friend... yes, this was all a cover for his own pain, but still.. his personality wasn't even distantly similar to the "I hate everyone and everything" attitude of Sachoff's Kara Thrace.

Plus, in his prime, Dirk Benedict was prettier than Katee Sachoff

 

[Ward Fowler]

True, but nobody (except when they're trying to be really, really argumentative) would argue that Kirk Benedict and Katee Sachoff played the same character... or even substantially SIMILAR characters.

I agree. Katee's Starbuck has much nicer tits.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, but Scotty wasn't defined by books, or short stories, or even so much by scripts. Scotty was defined, almost entirely, by how he was portrayed by Doohan.

If Doohan's performance is irrelevant, why not cast Jackie Chan in the role? Or Cheryl Crow? Or Paul Reubens? Or Rosie O'Donnell? I mean... if you don't care how the character was portrayed, presented, acted... all of that... in the past, what DO you care about?

Pegg is a fine actor with a much better range than most folks would attribute to him over here... but he's totally different from Doohan, and Doohan's performance is the ONLY thing that has ever defined "Scotty" in the past. So, the character he's playing is unlikely to have much in common with the character we've all known for 40+ years.

I'll wait until I see that performance. Until then we got nothing. Again Doohan's "Scotty" was a performance. He put on an accent and pretended to love his bairns and his scotch. All we know about Pegg's take is that his "Scotty" finds the Enterprise exciting and he has an Scots accent ( something that Doohan's version lacked according to some ) I assume the drinking will be established later. So we seem to be 2 for 3 right now.

Doohan's performance is not whats being discussed or dismissed as irrelevent. What is being discussed is how much an actor in the role of "Scotty" needs to look like Doohan or if his take should just be a bad immitation of Doohans's "Scotty". I've seen Doohan, he wasn't 100% "Scotty" in real life.

Far too many fans want the new actors to look like the previous cast and do impersonations out of an SNL skit.

That's not remotely what I'm saying.

Doohan's Montgomery Scott was a scowling, dour character with a real curmudgeonly "bite" to him. My mental image of Scotty is him, sitting in the captain's chair, eyes squinted as he stares down a hostile situation while Kirk and Co are stranded on a planet surface... or him growling under his breath as he crawls up the Jeffries tube to try and perform some miracle.

It's not the accent... or even so much the physical appearance... but rather the general FEEL. Scotty had his humor, sure, but he was often one of the more grim characters on the ship, and it just felt NATURAL to him.

Pegg can play "hard-ass" (see "Hot Fuzz") and I'd hope that his Scotty might incorporate SOME of that... but he's just so easy-going in everything I've ever seen him in. He lacks the INTENSITY that Doohan's version had, in other words.

I'm a fan of "Sean of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz" and "Spaced" and most other places I've seen him. I just can't process him as being the same guy as Doohan was playing.

Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe he'll be the most inspired bit of casting on the film.

Or maybe it'll be what I've been worried about all along... he's someone who Abrams already knew and liked, and Abrams gave this part out to have yet another of his pals around. Sort of "nepotism" without the blood connection, in other words. (Not that there's anything especially rare about nepotism where Star Trek is concerned).

Were we watching the same show??? Scotty could be serious, especially about his engines amd he could be tough, but dour? Grim? Curmegeon? Nah.

There a shot of the Bridge crew from the movie, with Pegg in the background. He looks very scottylike in it. Maybe even a little intense.