It's more accurate to say "If he can make it THROUGH the third".
Wasted season........
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It's more accurate to say "If he can make it THROUGH the third".
Wasted season........
Seriously?! Archer was supposed to be a Han Solo type??!!
I would never have guessed that!
Funny you should say that. This was an entry I did for a recent TV and Media av contest "Actors who should have been on Star Trek":
Seriously?! Archer was supposed to be a Han Solo type??!!
I would never have guessed that!
As I recall the quote from one of the Bs (I forget which) called him a Hans Solo, but I figured that *might* be just transcriber error and not actual stupidity.
Season two was when the show really stumbled around. Other than that, it was pretty good.
"Stargate" has never been in the same league as any version of Trek, and never will be.
"Stargate" has never been in the same league as any version of Trek, and never will be.
Certainly in recent years, the Stargates showed the same lack of initiative and imagination that damaged ENT. However, SG1 at its best easily produced a fair number of episodes stronger than ENT at its worst. I don't care to debate overall merits here, but the notion of some kind of order-of-magnitude gap between them is incorrect.
I hate to whip out the clichés, but I think it's more about the journey than the destination. Lots of episodes have taken things from others, but they usually find new ways of looking at it, and you see it from the viewpoint of different characters. I've always thought watching Star Trek for the space stories is like watching House for the medical stuff, the shows aren't really about that so much as they're about humanity and the characters and the way they react to the situations they find themselves in. It being in space just makes it that much awesome
Not dying with dignity seems to be a star trek theme. TOS descended into poorly-written episodes, a bad timeslot, and virtually no watchers before it died a shameful death- but God knows I'm glad it went for as long as it did, and I don't care at this point that it was unpopular, or that its death was undignified. Perhaps in 40 years people will say the same about ENT, who knows.
Enterprise had a strange effect on quite a few vocal fans. It is common to see posts like
As with the other Star Trek series here was some disappointment in early Enterprise. But with the internet aggressive personalities now have a means of pushing their views with little regard that others may feel differently. We've entered a time of entitlement where some give no quarter, wanting only to see what they want to see, and not understanding that others may have different tastes. Don't let them scare you away.
Season 3 of TOS, seasons 1 and 2 of TNG, seasons 1 and 2 of ENT, etc.. may not be as good as other seasons, but I would not wish them out of existence. It's all worth watching once, and then you re-watch the seasons and episodes you like best.
Oh, and while the Andorians were great in Enterprise I think the best thing is how the Vulcans were explored.
You think that describes me? Really? I'm about as mellow as they come on the 'net.....
As an old TOS fan (still #1 in my book, but ENT is #2); I have to agree. I LOVED how the Vulcans were portrayed in ENT. Fit in quite nicely with what we SAW of Vulcans (and not how the Vulcans saw themselves, NOR th characatures they became in 24th century era Star Trek) in Amok Time, and Journey to Babel. The series showed that even Vulcan society evolved in the 110 year span between ENT abd the original Star Trek series 'universe'.
I think you'll like ENT if you liked TOS. One of my friends who went to see the new movie with me was interested in seeing some more Trek... I pointed her at ENT as opposed to Next Gen or TOS or anything like that. I figured for someone who was really excited about the new movie and the new timeline, might as well show them the only true "canon" series that goes in line with the new movie.
Personally, I enjoyed season 1 and 2 more than 3 or 4. I like the independent stories as opposed to the big full season story line. I think Manny Coto had a LOT of influence on that with his experience on 24 and what not, but I thought the first two seasons had a lot more to offer from a character development standpoint and especially from an exploration standpoint, which is what that show was all about.
Personally, I enjoyed season 1 and 2 more than 3 or 4. I like the independent stories as opposed to the big full season story line. I think Manny Coto had a LOT of influence on that with his experience on 24 and what not, but I thought the first two seasons had a lot more to offer from a character development standpoint and especially from an exploration standpoint, which is what that show was all about.
No. The quote was an example, but I was throwing it at the people that used to hang at the Startrek.com forums and gang up on anyone that posted something positive about Enterprise. They drop in here occasionally and usually under different names but the Mods do a good job of keeping things under control. I get scolded by HR occasionally when I get a bit "rabid" and get aggravated when threads get closed for going off topic for a couple of posts, but I also think this is the best ST forum available.
But no, the quote was just a convenient example and there was a reason I did not leave the name attached.
If you get bored with Season 2... just skip to Season 3.
That's what I've been hearing, and I'm interested in seeing.
I'm finishing up season 7 of TNG on DVD. It just hit me that there is a major absense of Vulcans in TNG. I guess that is something that ENT has over TNG.
Yeah, I never paid attention first time I watched it (when I was, like, 7-14 or whatever) but I'm currently rewatching the entire lot and the absence of Vulcans is almost conspicuous. It seems they were trying way, waaaayy too hard to distinguish themselves from TOS. Sad really :< I mean I know they've got Data, who is sorta like Spock's backwards inbred little cousin, but every series needs some good vulcans! That's one of the things that's awesome about ENT
They were actually trying to do just that. Roddenberry didn't want to use any of the alien races from TOS on TNG. He had to be convinced to include a Klingon on the show. And the Romulans did show up barely at the end of season 1 but for the most part he tried to separate the two shows.
I didn't know that. I mean, I knew he grew uncomfortable with the idea of Klingons, but Vulcans?
At a 1986 Loscon (when David Gerrold was still part of the pre-production team); at a panel he styated GR's very first idea was to make the new Enterprise a multi-generational; ship on a trip to a new unexplored galaxy, and that they had left ALL other Star Trek empires and races behind and had a 100% 'new canvas' to work with. David and the studio talked him out of that idea as they felt it wouldn't be the 'Star Trek' fans wanted; they did need to relate it to what came before. (Many folks don't realize that the REASON GR was so dismissive of the opriginal Star Trek was because when the series ended in 1969; he SOLD the entire thing (and all his interests in it) to Paramount; so he no longer 'owned' it.
Paramount brought GR back ONLY as a consultant after it was decided that the 'Phase II' series was a no go, and they were going the feature film route. That's why he has almost nothing good to say about the films, and stated they're 'too militaristic' and 'Star Fleet ISN'T a military organization', etc. (obviously, he never re-watched TOS' first season after making it
).TNG was his chance to do a 'Star Trek' that he 'owned' again (that was a BIG part of his new deal with Paramount, that he would own TNG), and also to make it jibe with his complaints re: the new (at that time) feature film series. That's why he told Berman and the 'new' production team to 'ignore' and 'don't watch' TOS too.
another first-time ENT viewer
Well, I finally got my season one box from amazon and started watching this weekend.
Got through the first three episodes, and am enjoying it for the most part. I'm getting over the fact that the look of the ship isn't as retro-future as I'd imagined pre-TOS, and enjoyed the stories.
I'd have to say my favorite characters so far are Phlox and T'pol. Indeed, I'm so far siding with T'pol in her disputes with Archer/Trip.
I particularly liked the doctor, like the comment that he wondered if the crew would mind if he observed them mating.
Archer seems a little bit of a boob so far, but that may be more because Bakula always seemed a little bit of a boob to me on Quantum Leap (which I loved).
So...that was the jelly-rubbing scene that everybody gets in a, uh, lather about. Fascinating. I do note that they at least must have gone for Trek scientific accuracy, because it was clearly quite cold in there by Vulcan but not human standards, judging by T'pol's, erm, physical reaction, while at the same time, it didn't seem to cause any "shrinkage" on the human, Trip.
(not to mention the other "package shot" of Archer later on.)
Storywise, I found the first three episodes exciting, not as bland in their aesthetic, as I'd come to associate with the TNG beige-couch era of Trek.
I especially liked Broken Bow, perhaps in part because I'm still not sure what the Klingons were up to. Was it supposed to remain a mystery at that point, or did I miss something. I like it when things aren't all wrapped up neatly. I think I actually saw part of this when it was first on, because I remember thinking, with the introduction of the Suliban (sp?) "oh no, not another wholly new alien, when we could explore the older ones more."
But I changed my mind about that, and I'm interested so far to see how it plays out.
In general, I like the feel so far. It doesn't quite feel like what I'd imagined would come before TOS, but I can live with it so far because the stories were interesting.
Well, I finally got my season one box from amazon and started watching this weekend.
Got through the first three episodes, and am enjoying it for the most part. I'm getting over the fact that the look of the ship isn't as retro-future as I'd imagined pre-TOS, and enjoyed the stories.
I'd have to say my favorite characters so far are Phlox and T'pol. Indeed, I'm so far siding with T'pol in her disputes with Archer/Trip.
I think part of my siding with T'pol frankly was because Trip's accent reminds me of our much-lamented recent president. So all the speechifying about "take charge" humans vs the "too cautious" Vulcans reminds me of the wrong-headed jingoists we had sloppily running the show for the past 8 years, which we've thankfully escaped, but still need to prosecute.
I particularly liked the doctor, like the comment that he wondered if the crew would mind if he observed them mating.
Archer seems a little bit of a boob so far, but that may be more because Bakula always seemed a little bit of a boob to me on Quantum Leap (which I loved).
So...that was the jelly-rubbing scene that everybody gets in a, uh, lather about. Fascinating. I do note that they at least must have gone for Trek scientific accuracy, because it was clearly quite cold in there by Vulcan but not human standards, judging by T'pol's, erm, physical reaction, while at the same time, it didn't seem to cause any "shrinkage" on the human, Trip.
(not to mention the other "package shot" of Archer later on.)Storywise, I found the first three episodes exciting, not as bland in their aesthetic, as I'd come to associate with the TNG beige-couch era of Trek.
I especially liked Broken Bow, perhaps in part because I'm still not sure what the Klingons were up to. Was it supposed to remain a mystery at that point, or did I miss something. I like it when things aren't all wrapped up neatly. I think I actually saw part of this when it was first on, because I remember thinking, with the introduction of the Suliban (sp?) "oh no, not another wholly new alien, when we could explore the older ones more."
But I changed my mind about that, and I'm interested so far to see how it plays out.
In general, I like the feel so far. It doesn't quite feel like what I'd imagined would come before TOS, but I can live with it so far because the stories were interesting.
Merging these two threads. Enjoy the show!
And seigezunt, regarding potentially contentious commentary on contemporary politics... rather than putting them behind spoiler tags, please omit them altogether in this forum. That stuff is for Misc or TNZ.
And seigezunt, regarding potentially contentious commentary on contemporary politics... rather than putting them behind spoiler tags, please omit them altogether in this forum. That stuff is for Misc or TNZ.
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