Of course! I'd never remember that without Wikipedia.You actually looked up that "Macrocosm" was Voyager, season 3, episode 12! I love it!
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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A great question. I'm extremely curious.
I also don't think its fair to suggest we run on "bad faith hyperbole" if we're not aware of comments made. I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong when I know that I am, but the only comments from Matalas I'm aware of have to do with following up on past stories and characters. (But I'm also not going to listen to a podcast or watch a video just to get information.)
I feel like 'nostalgia' gets used a lot by people who just don't want to see the setting of the Berman era continue, which is weird to me because that's how Star Trek worked. TOS passed the universe onto TNG, which passed it on to DS9 and Voyager. Now those threads have been passed on to Lower Decks, Prodigy and Picard. It's not nostalgia to want the setting and characters of Star Trek to continue to get developed and explored. It's not nostalgia to want to know what happens next. Especially as now I want to know what happens next after shows released in 2023 and 2024.
Lower Decks, Prodigy and Picard have been fine, but the cartoons can't push the status quo forward much so everything that comes back just feels like a reference. And Picard was telling season-long movies about characters. What we need is another Deep Space Nine that actually does something with all these threads.
Same here. I'll freely admit to two things:
1. Picard Season 3 was just fine.
2. Legacy does not appeal to me.
I've done my damndest to express myself until I feel blue in...keys. But, seriously the bad faith accusation is becoming fatiguing. People won't tell me why I should like Picard Season 3, other than "feels" and why I should support Legacy other than "feels."
So, color me cautious because I don't have anything else to work off of except the blank check from Picard Season 3 fans who promise me it's real Star Trek.
Not me.
80 years in to the future. Is this the next show is 80 more years in to the future?
That would be hard. As bad as some people might think TrekBBS is now, it was worse "back then".
The TNZ, ENT, and MA Forums in the early-2000s were a war zone. No, that doesn't do it justice. Let me put it more accurately: IT WAS A WAR ZONE. * W * A * R *** Z * O * N * E *
That's what it was like. The VOY Forum, from what I understand, was even worse when it was on. I'd stopped watching by that point, so I wasn't posting in there.
As far as TrekBBS now: it's just a watered down version of that. Extremely watered down.
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The time jump was only necessary to get it out of the way of the TOS movies. Ultimately characters ended up coming back anyway, they just had to find more convoluted ways to do it.
I have tried very hard not to get into a pissing match about why someone should or shouldn't enjoy something. I've defended my stance on things, but try to remember that everyone can have an opinion on it. But at the end of the day: This is an entertainment franchise. In a way, its art. Isn't the end goal of art to elicit a response? It means we're talking about it. I get it. I have unpopular opinions. I think things that are extremely popular are overrated and think that other things that aren't considered to be good might need to be revisited. But I don't force it. I try to suggest it. I'd love to have a discussion without it devolving into talking about what the masses feel. Does that really matter? Or can we focus on how those who are in the conversation feel? And maybe <gasp> agree to disagree?
Which is hilarious to me because TUC was directly connected to Unification. So, that nonsense ended up being a nonsensical argument anyway, and we got McCoy and Scotty in for no good reason.
I personally would love this. I get tired of being told "this is what audiences want."
Oh...ok...I wasn't aware there was a poll. Can't we just discuss it without the ad populism argument?
I wasn’t referring to you specifically. I was referring to Matalas seeming wanting to lead with that to sell everyone on the show.
Sorry for the mix up.
There is validity in following up on Klingons post-Dominion War. But if Star Trek is about exploring strange new worlds, what will be new about the Klingons this time?
Here’s what I’ll say.
We don’t really know what Seven was like in her Fenris Ranger years. We got a glimpse in PIC. But everything between VOY and PIC is a mystery. We have no idea if she did solely good things or bad things in that period, or was varying shades of grey. Only that a lot of her Borg implants were removed, she treated Icheb as her surrogate son, and that she was rejected by Starfleet even with the support of Janeway behind her. And despite this rejection, she still chose to help others, staying true to the Starfleet values. Meaning her time on Voyager had a bigger impact on her than realized. But because she was involved with someone like Bjayzl, its not clear if she only engaged in heroic deeds. That’s where the real interesting story is, and why the Fenris Ranger angle is more interesting to me than her Starfleet career.
I do not think think is a lot of drama with Seven regarding her history with the Borg, unless she's going to be revisiting the Delta Quadrant, or assimilated portions of the Beta and Gamma Quadrants. And a lot of the drama will be ended quick as soon as the assimilated Ent-G crew, as well as those assimilated on Frontier Day, rallies behind her.
I would say that a lot of the drama involving the Borg will actually centre around Jack triggering those events in the first place. As there is no indication that those outside of Starfleet will be prejudiced to Seven’s history. Otherwise, Picard would not have been commanding the Enterprise after the Battle of Wolf 359. And the drama will also comes from those not assimilated, and those who were victims of the Borg, like Jake Sisko. And in Jake Sisko's case, I think it would stop and end at Jack. I don’t think he would have issue with Seven or those assimilated on Frontier Day, or even the Jurati Borg. I think he would have some empathy there.
Maybe some of the drama comes from a resurrected Shaw, saved by Seven’s nanoprobes. Though that will then lead into the politics as to why Seven’s nanoprobes are not regularly used to cure death.
Starfleet Academy, and the 32nd century as a whole, does not interest me. Otherwise, I would have finished watching S5 of DIS, instead of giving up midway through.
Like, I think the potential is there for something worthwhile to explore. But the 32nd century, in terms of worldbuilding, been handled amateurishly.
Anyway, "nostalgia". Here's some.
^ This is nostalgia.
^ This isn't.
^ This is nostalgia.
^ This isn't.
So, what you're saying is that you should be thanking us?
TNG had virtually zero nostalgic connections with TOS beyond being on a ship named Enterprise. You wanna do that? Skip ahead 80 years to a time when we've moved far beyond the TNG era? Sure, absolutely. I'd love to see it!
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It might be something for Prodigy (it's set during her time as a Fenris Ranger
).
I don't know. My teenager had it on her playlist for our housewarming party yesterday and it felt kind of nostalgic to me haha
Damn straight.
AGAIN, we're talking about 20 years ago. "Hey Ya!" came out in 2003! And I remember fondly dancing with my now deceased grandmother to that song at a family wedding. Fond memories of good times = NOSTALGIA!
Don't assume anything. That's my only real piece of advice. You may find that Picard S3 fans absolutely hate whatever Legacy ends up actually being. You may find that Matalas has washed his hands of Trek and it'll be helmed solely by Alex Kurtzman or Akiva Goldsman. Whatever happens, you are under no obligation to support it.
I'm struggling hard to put my thoughts into words when I read how other Trek shows got it right vs Picard. Constantly wondering "How was THAT not nostalgic, but this is?" etc. Frankly, it's all a bit too much.
So all I can hope now, especially with the high likelihood of a Skydance acquisition, is that we get eventually news that either closes the book on further 25th century adventures or confirms it will happen with a specific amount of nostalgia shown as a percentage. At least then the discussions over a hypothetical production will finally have validity.
At the time, Terry said that he had no use for Seven and the E-G crew.
Disco leaned on nostalgia with Mudd, Spock, Sarek, Amanda, Pike, Number One and the Enterprise
Lower Decks leans on nostalgia with all of the references
Prodigy leans on nostalgia with the Voyager references amongst other season 2 spoilery things
SNW leans on with the Enterprise, Pike, Spock, Number One, Chapel, M'Benga, Kirk, Scotty, Amanda, add a few other things I'm not thinking as I write this
No question that nostalgia has played a HUGE part in this era of Star Trek. Its HOW it handles it that may not sit well with some while it sits well with others. We all have our preferences.
Again, it's not "nostalgia=teh sux!" simplistic reductionism.
Exactly so.
I'll play a little bit here (to little avail no doubt) with SNW. SNW's biggest framing device is with Pike, a man who knows his future and is still trying to live a life true to himself, his values, and his dreams. He is surrounded by familiar faces and those who are up and comers in Starfleet and he keeps supporting that goal. In all of that, Pike is used as the framework, and his crew responds around him. If nostalgia crops up, they try to work it in to the story, sometimes well, sometimes not well. George Kirk isn't just Kirk's brother but someone Pike and Spock relate to. Robert April isn't just a name dropped admiral, but someone with whom Pike relates to and connects with. There is a feeling of history here.
Season 3 tried a similar thing, though discarding much of the past season characters didn't help. But, it tried, and set up a new story with consequences from the past. Interesting. Then it paused to go through a memory maze of all these different touchstones of Picard's life. It didn't feel in service to the story, but tacked on wherever it could be done. It also still used the mystery box format with a strange payoff, so that didn't help. The history is repetitive.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Michelle Hurd seems to think she'd be involved with Legacy.
Picard's Michelle Hurd on Star Trek's Legacy and Where Raffi Could Go Next - IGN
Michelle Hurd, the actress who played Raffi on Star Trek: Picard, spoke to IGN ahead of ST-SF: Trek to San Francisco about where she hopes her character goes next, Star Trek's legacy and how it changed her life, and much more.
Dave Blass has said he'd like to upgrade the Enterprise-G if Legacy is greenlit.
Star Trek: Legacy's New Enterprise May Be Slightly Different If Series Happens [Updated]
Another good reason to greenlight Star Trek: Legacy.
screenrant.com
Todd Stashwich seems pretty convinced Shaw will be revived in some way if Legacy happens.
Interview: Michelle Hurd And Todd Stashwick Talk ‘Star Trek: Legacy’ Dreams And ‘Picard’ Memes
TrekMovie spoke to the actors at the Saturn Awards.
trekmovie.com
I don't think Michelle Hurd, Dave Blass, and Todd Stashwich would be so far off-base with Terry Matalas.
As far as Jeri Ryan herself, she's onboard if Legacy was greenlit.
Interview: Jeri Ryan On Taking Seven From Borg To Bi Captain Of The Enterprise To ‘Star Trek: Legacy’
TrekMovie talked to the 'Voyager' and 'Picard' actress at the Saturn Awards.
trekmovie.com
All this leads me to believe Legacy would feature Captain Seven and the Enterprise-G crew.
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