Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[Campe]

We also don't know the future of Paramount+ if Skydance buys them out. SFA isn't even happening until 2026. Legacy will probably never happen, and any TV movie with Patrick Stewart probably won't even get green-lit until after he's dead. But Skydance might just cancel everything and decide to do their own take.

An excellent point.

 

[Danja]

We also don't know the future of Paramount+ if Skydance buys them out.

P+ is a distribution channel for Paramount's IP (Star Trek, Transformers, Mission: Impossible, NCIS, etc.)

They would be foolish to get rid of it.

SFA isn't even happening until 2026. Legacy will probably never happen, and any TV movie with Patrick Stewart probably won't even get green-lit until after he's dead.

Skydance knows we're here. They know about the campaign. I've made sure of it.

But Skydance might just cancel everything and decide to do their own take.

I doubt it.

Skydance knows Kurtzman. They worked with Kurtzman on Star Trek: Into Darkness. They co-produced both Into Darkness and Star Trek: Beyond. They'll probably just leave him alone.

 

[Dukhat]

P+ is a distribution channel for Paramount's IP (Star Trek, Transformers, Mission: Impossible, NCIS, etc.)

From what I understand, Skydance wants complete creative control of Paramount. Presumably this includes P+. Will they get rid of it? See below.

Skydance knows we're here. They know about the campaign. I've made sure of it.

Unless you were sitting in Skydance's board room during negotiations for the buyout, we have no idea of their motives once they aquire Paramount Global.

I doubt it.

Skydance knows Kurtzman. They've worked with Kurtzman on Star Trek: Into Darkness. They co-produced both Into Darkness and Star Trek: Beyond. They'll probably just leave him alone.

See above. We don't know what they will decide to do once they have control. Will they kick Kurtzman out? Doubtful. Will they decide that producing SFA, a made-for-TV Picard movie, some vague idea about a Star Trek 'origins' film, or continued seasons of SNW and LDS is not worth their time or financial concerns? Possibly. Will they kill P+ (and all shows on the service) to actually, really, truly focus on a big-budget Star Trek film, which is where all the money is (as JJ Abrams has proven?) Likely. Or, as you said, maybe they'll keep P+ to use to promote their other stuff, although I'd be curious to know just how much revenue P+ has made to justify keeping it.

But these are, of course, just my opinions, based on how I feel that producers like Skydance think. I could be completely wrong.

 

[Campe]

Skydance knows we're here. They know about the campaign. I've made sure of it.

What campaign? And how have you "made sure of it?"

 

[Danja]

See above. We don't know what they will decide to do once they have control. Will they kick Kurtzman out? Doubtful. Will they decide that producing SFA, a made-for-TV Picard movie, some vague idea about a Star Trek 'origins' film, or continued seasons of SNW and LDS is not worth their time or financial concerns? Possibly. Will they kill P+ (and all shows on the service) to actually, really, truly focus on a big-budget Star Trek film, which is where all the money is (as JJ Abrams has proven?) Likely. Or, as you said, maybe they'll keep P+ to use to promote their other stuff, although I'd be curious to know just how much revenue P+ has made to justify keeping it.

But these are, of course, just my opinions, based on how I feel that producers like Skydance think. I could be completely wrong.

Paramount Plus has just signed a distribution deal with Sony:

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/king-of-queens-streaming-paramount-plus-pluto-tv-1235960387/

Skydance can't get rid of P+ without it affecting Sony.

Nickelodeon aired a family-friendly simulcast of the Super Bowl in February (Kids aren't known to be interested in beer and erectile dysfunction medication. However, they are interested in breakfast cereal, toys, and fast food.)

P+ carries programming from all of Paramount's networks (Comedy Central, Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, etc.)

 

[FederationHistorian]

they'd basically have to rebuild the sets every few years. So it's extremely expensive.

IDK why this BBS assumes every single idea I pitch in relation to Star Trek is expensive.

Just reuse the sets. Who says that the Ent-F and Voy-B sets have to be significant different. Reuse them and redress them. like how the Stargazer and Titan-A sets were the same sets redressed.

If filmed in Canada, I’m sure that some sets from SFA or SNW could be reused for a refitted and modernised DS9.

Not to mention that you are saving money by having season long arcs based around Harry, Kira and Jake, instead of greenlighting a bunch of shows or miniseries around them.

you explore Strange New Worlds, while bolding going where no one has gone before.

Even though PIC S3 didn’t really do any of that. And that’s what Legacy will be modelled off of.

There’s less mass appeal in your idea than in mine. Sorry.

At least with my idea, it focuses on the next generation (pun intended), while introducing new fans to legacy characters from the Berman era with a bit of follow up one what has been happening since we last saw them. And there is a chance to do arcs that are not focused on threat-of-the-season, but smaller stakes like in TNG, TOS or SNW.

You actively try your best to NOT make it a 90's Trek reunion special.

But its going to be a ‘90s nostalgia fest, if Matalas is writing it. So, you have no real control over that.

At the very least push for more focus to be on underutilized ‘90s era species like the J’naii, and focus on issues like holodeck deepfakes than worry about what the Klingons are up to.

Disco only lasted five seasons. There's no way that P+ is going to pay for six seasons of Legacy.

We don’t really know yet though.

The first couple of seasons of DIS had more than just 10 episodes per season. Those extra episodes, plus the couple of hours that makes up Short Treks could make a six season.

But I agree that that there won’t be a seventh season. Those days seem to be over, at least for live action Trek.

We also don't know the future of Paramount+ if Skydance buys them out. SFA isn't even happening until 2026. Legacy will probably never happen, and any TV movie with Patrick Stewart probably won't even get green-lit until after he's dead. But Skydance might just cancel everything and decide to do their own take.

Kurtzman also wants a P+ every two years. So, considering that S31 is finished filming and is likely out sometime next year, its plausible that a PIC movie goes into production by 2026 and is aired sometime in 2027.

 

[Dukhat]

Kurtzman also wants a P+ every two years.

I don't know what you mean by that statement.

So, considering that S31 is finished filming and is likely out sometime next year, its plausible that a PIC movie goes into production by 2026 and is aired sometime in 2027.

I'm sure Section 31 will be broadcast this year. Because once DSC ends, what else is P+ going to show for the rest of the year Star Trek content-wise? And right know all we know about a PIC movie is Stewart making a comment that somebody gave him a script for something. I'll believe there's a Picard movie in the works when someone official says it (and maybe not even then, if Paramount's penchant for making movie announcements that never come to frution is any indication.)

 

[HotRod]

Even though PIC S3 didn’t really do any of that. And that’s what Legacy will be modelled off of.

Exactly why I'm not excited about the concepts of Legacy being thrown around.

There’s less mass appeal in your idea than in mine. Sorry.

Oh, I dunno about that.

Your idea basically requires homework and at least a certain familiarity with plots and characters from 30+ years ago.

I propose a basic clean slate approach. A show that doesn't require homework. Pretty much do what TNG did in the 80's. Take the basic concept of Star Trek and go forward with it without too much baggage.

I can accept that certain things seem to be set in stone. Things like Seven, Jack and the Ent-G. But those aside, lets not go boldly where we've already gone before.

But its going to be a ‘90s nostalgia fest, if Matalas is writing it.

 

[Campe]

I’d love a Star Trek series that actually stands on its own.

 

[fireproof78]

I’d love a Star Trek series that actually stands on its own.

This. 1000% this. No callbacks, not history. Take the action/adventure framework from Original Series and the positive attitude about the growth of humanity, and off in to the unknown.

 

[HotRod]

I’d love a Star Trek series that actually stands on its own.

This. 1000% this. No callbacks, not history. Take the action/adventure framework from Original Series and the positive attitude about the growth of humanity, and off in to the unknown.

Yep. If we MUST do a 25th century show that acts as a follow-up to Picard, this is a concept I could live with.

If this were to happen, it wouldn't be till SNW finished it run. Which means it'd likely be a contemporary to Starfleet Academy, assuming that show is any kinda success.

So we'll have a 25th century exploration show on a Starship Enterprise and a 32nd century show at Starfleet Academy. Plus, one or two streaming movies under our belts by that point.

Of course this is all best case scenario.

Hell, in my own perfect little world, SNW will run for 7 years and 70 episodes, plus a movie.

 

[Danja]

I’d love a Star Trek series that actually stands on its own.

This. 1000% this. No callbacks, not history. Take the action/adventure framework from Original Series and the positive attitude about the growth of humanity, and off in to the unknown.

Disco tried it, but the fans started complaining about it "deviating from canon."

Yep. If we MUST do a 25th century show that acts as a follow-up to Picard, this is a concept I could live with.

If this were to happen, it wouldn't be till SNW finished it run. Which means it'd likely be a contemporary to Starfleet Academy, assuming that show is any kinda success.

Given that it takes 1-2 years to get a show going, SNW will be finished at the same time Legacy first airs.

 

[HotRod]

Given that it takes 1-2 years to get a show going, SNW will be finished at the same time Legacy first airs.

That's assuming they start filming anytime soon, which I doubt.

Let's assume that SNW goes 5 season.

Season 3 - 2025
Season 4 - 2026
Season 5 - 2027

Assuming they go back to back with Starfleet Academy, we wouldn't see a Legacy series till 2028.

 

[Lord Garth]

No one's going to get 100% of what they want. There's yet to be a Star Trek series that gave me absolutely everything I wanted out of it. Including Discovery. And yes, just to be clear, including Picard. If I get at least half, I'll be happy.

 

[Danja]

No one's going to get 100% of what they want. There's yet to be a Star Trek series that gave me absolutely everything I wanted out of it. Including Discovery. And yes, just to be clear, including Picard. If I get at least half, I'll be happy.

Being a Star Trek showrunner is like herding cats.

We fans can't agree on what makes a good show ("Stick to canon! Break from canon! Bring on the legacy characters! No legacy characters! We need completely new characters!" )

That's assuming they start filming anytime soon, which I doubt.

Let's assume that SNW goes 5 season.

Season 3 - 2025
Season 4 - 2026
Season 5 - 2027

Assuming they go back to back with Starfleet Academy, we wouldn't see a Legacy series till 2028.

SNW is not going to last five seasons:

https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/star-trek-alex-kurtzman-franchise-speculation-mergers

Well, listen, a couple of things you have to keep in mind that, again, five seasons of any television show is a really good run for a show, and part of what also happens, given the way that the streaming cycles work, is that shows are quicker to be changed over. The good news is that the health of the franchise is vibrant now. We're shooting Section 31, we're about to start Starfleet Academy, and there's a couple of surprises coming up after that. So there's definitely no shortage of Star Trek incoming.

 

[HotRod]

SNW is not going to last five seasons:

I don't see anything in that quote to imply SNW can't go for 5 seasons.

 

[Campe]

Disco tried it, but the fans started complaining about it "deviating from canon."

Uh, in Disco’s first season, not including the Klingons, you had Sarek, Amanda, Harry Mudd, a tribble, the mirror universe and the flipping Enterprise. I like Disco, but I’m not sure they made much of an effort to make it stand on its own early on.

 

[fireproof78]

Uh, in Disco’s first season, not including the Klingons, you had Sarek, Amanda, Harry Mudd, a tribble, the mirror universe and the flipping Enterprise. I like Disco, but I’m not sure they made much of an effort to make it stand on its own early on.

They really didn't. They took more of a "The Motion Picture" approach in terms of updates, and moving away in terms of familiar design language, but the touchstones were all based in past Star Trek.

I'll reiterate, the only "change" Discovery did was to set design, not anything in terms of story approach, history or character history.

 

[Campe]

They really didn't. They took more of a "The Motion Picture" approach in terms of updates, and moving away in terms of familiar design language, but the touchstones were all based in past Star Trek.

I'll reiterate, the only "change" Discovery did was to set design, not anything in terms of story approach, history or character history.

I think it would be difficult to avoid all touch points. You do have this almost 1000 episode tapestry to pull from. How you do it is the question. You can choose to do it like Disco season 5

Spoiler: Disco season 5

adding texture to the Promellians and offering a sequel to “The Chase” without it being way over the top

or you can do it the Terry Matalas way. I know the way I would prefer.

Or you could just reboot the whole thing.

 

[Paul755]

I'm sure Section 31 will be broadcast this year. Because once DSC ends, what else is P+ going to show for the rest of the year Star Trek content-wise? And right know all we know about a PIC movie is Stewart making a comment that somebody gave him a script for something. I'll believe there's a Picard movie in the works when someone official says it (and maybe not even then, if Paramount's penchant for making movie announcements that never come to frution is any indication.)

I mean…we will get S5 of Lower Decks.

I’d love a Star Trek series that actually stands on its own.

just do what TNG did. Set the show 80 years after Picard on a new starship Enterprise, with an all new crew. Have reference to Treks past, maybe a cameo or two of crew members that might still be alive. But beyond that treat the Enterprise G/Voyager B, etc… time as another lost era.

Disco tried it, but the fans started complaining about it "deviating from canon."
.

it’s the difference between a sequel and a prequel. Disco never should have been a prequel, especially one set so close to TOS.