Hardly. If anything, it's TOS 2.0.
Which is surprising, considering they ripped off nearly everything else from the films.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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Hardly. If anything, it's TOS 2.0.
Which is surprising, considering they ripped off nearly everything else from the films.
Maybe.
Or its a greatest hits tour. In any case, SNW does the prequel thing well, giving me more sense of the characters and new perspective on them. It's very enjoyable for me, especially since Pike was my favorite captain unti 2009.
No, but it feels very much like the only time thise characters were important was serving on the D. There's no value to them with their lives until they are back on the D, and stop the Borg mystery box.
It's just shallow for me.
Mileage will vary but the nostalgia feels like a cake made of mostly frosting. The characters I don't feel like I know better by the end as the play poker. Except Worf.
For exactly one mission. Not permanently. There's a difference and you know it.
There's more I could get into, but there are other things I'd rather do. Like wash my hair.
Wake me up when we know for sure if Legacy will or won't be happening.
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It's more what it represents. Their value feels tied to position place. To quote the Prophets, 'Why do you exist here?"
There's a difference but the messaging lands sideways for me. The nostalgia lands differently. All of it is very strange.
Indeed.
Look, I don't let SNW, or for that matter Michael Chabon, live rent free in my head. I don't understand why others let PS3, potential Legacy, or Terry Matalas live rent free in theirs.
Riker -- get to see him in command, how he interacts with Picard as a true peer, recovers from a family tragedy
Data -- his fate leftover from NEM gets resolved, he "becomes human"
Geordi -- fatherhood vs duty to former crewmates, reconnecting with Data
Worf -- we few dispute this one!
Beverly -- her arc is admittedly constrained by having to keep everything PS1 established about the 2379 to 2399 timeline, but she's definitely a different person, and her relationship with Picard isn't exactly frozen in place...
Troi -- she gets the least screen time, and her arc has some similarities to "Dark Page" vis a vis her mother, so this one is likely the most open to criticism, but there were real world structural constraints
Picard -- major development to his family/legacy yes or no arc dating back from "Family" and GEN.
Riker -- get to see him in command, how he interacts with Picard as a true peer, recovers from a family tragedy
Data -- his fate leftover from NEM gets resolved, he "becomes human"
Geordi -- fatherhood vs duty to former crewmates, reconnecting with Data
Worf -- we few dispute this one!
Beverly -- her arc is admittedly constrained by having to keep everything PS1 established about the 2379 to 2399 timeline, but she's definitely a different person, and her relationship with Picard isn't exactly frozen in place...
Troi -- she gets the least screen time, and her arc has some similarities to "Dark Page" vis a vis her mother, so this one is likely the most open to criticism, but there were real world structural constraints
Not true
Also not true. It's more like TOS 2.0.
No more than TMP or TNG are reboots disguised as sequels.
Then why do you keep bringing it up?
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Both curiosity as to the appeal when Season 1 feels the same and desire to gain appreciation of your point of view.
And SNW gets trotted out all the time as some sort of nostalgia bate gotcha!
Just don't out them on the D and this would land better.
As I said, it feels off and stuck. Accurate or not that's my feeling.
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Many SNW fans do seem quite opposed to Legacy, so...
There's another thread on the General page going more in depth on this to litigate it further, but at the very least there's no clear consensus on this one, so... it'll come up in compare and contrast threads.
I'm not over in the SNW subforum constantly bringing up why that series sucks. I wasn't on the BBS in 2019 constantly posting no, no to what became SNW...
SNW spun off DISCOVERY. Legacy would spin off PICARD. There are limited resources available, and the producers have admitted they are microtargeting different fanbase segments. So it's again bound to come up in compare / contrast arguments.
And people bring up Terry Matalas all the time in criticism and jokes, while Michel Chabon did have a bit of cult of personality going on here in 2020, so again point of contrast...
Except, Picard doesn't suck.
I'll go a bit further and say Season 1 and 3 tell similar stories with the characters. It's actually a good mirror of the two, reflecting a similar movement of TMP and TWOK.
How can you tell? Did you poll them?
Anecdotally, many (vocal) fans here and on Twitter/X. Granted, it could just be hyperbole...
It's not so much that some people are against the idea of "Legacy" happening. It's the deification of Matalas that rubs some people the wrong way. He's touted as the Savior of Star Trek, which implies the franchise needs saving.
It doesn't.
Fans of Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks, Discovery, and Prodigy cannot help but feel insulted by the Matalas Cultist, constantly telling them that their favourite shows are garbage and that what they value from the franchise is crap because their shows weren't touched by the hands of Terry.
What's funny is that by all accounts, Matalas seems like a decent guy and a pretty good showrunner. It's the "TruFans" who have seemingly started this culture war of Terry Trek vs. Kurtzman Trek. How it has to be one or the other, totally negating the fact that Kurtzman hired Matalas.
Or ignoring the idea of diversity of different story telling ideas.
Then there's Terry telling the fans, "Don't you want to see what happened to Alexander?" (Not especially.)
It's the sort of thing that can be resolved with a couple lines of dialogue. He doesn't need his own plotline!
Riker: "How's Alexander?"
Worf: (Insert dialogue here)
Don't get me started on the fans who insist on having Naomi Wildman, Kestra Troi-Riker, Alexander, and Miral Paris serving on the Enterprise-G together! (God, it sounds like bad fanfic
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Then there's Terry telling the fans, "Don't you want to see what happened to Alexander?" (Not especially.)
It's the sort of thing that can be resolved with a couple lines of dialogue. He doesn't need his own plotline!
Riker: "How's Alexander?"
Worf: (Insert dialogue here)
Don't get me started on the fans who insist on having Naomi Wildman, Kestra Troi-Riker, Alexander, and Miral Paris serving on the Enterprise-G together! (God, it sounds like bad fanfic
this is one of the issues I could see with Legacy depending on the fan. Either too much fan service (OMG enough with the memberberries) or not enough (where is Admiral Janeway, Captain Harry Kim, General Kira, etc…give them all to me NOW. You promised Matalas)
if Legacy happens it’s gonna be tricky to find a balance.
Janeway: On Prodigy.
Kim: On Prodigy (At least, that's according to Garrett Wang. Will the man make Lieutenant after twenty-five years? Who knows.
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Then there's Terry telling the fans, "Don't you want to see what happened to Alexander?" (Not especially.)
It's the sort of thing that can be resolved with a couple lines of dialogue. He doesn't need his own plotline!
Riker: "How's Alexander?"
Worf: (Insert dialogue here)
I don’t think a bunch of these cameos need a whole episode devoted to them. its quite possible to have a memorable cameo for only a couple of minutes
Whether its McCoy’s appear in the TNG premiere, Quark’s appearance in VOY’s premiere, Cochrane's appearance in the ENT premiere or Janeway’s appearance in NEM, each of their respective appearances were only a couple of minutes tops
So, Alexander’s screen time should be 3 minutes tops.
Have a scene with Captain Kim on the USS Rhode Island, or as a fleet captain commanding the Stargazer. And then move on.
Jake Sisko spends 5 minutes interviewing an ambassador over FNN. Or a 30 second cameo with a returned Benjamin Sisko on Bajor.
Holographic communication with Admiral Janeway, while Janeway’s at Starfleet Command
The only ones I’ m certain will need a full episode devoted to them are Kira, for Bajor and a rebuilt Cardassia, and the fallout from the Changelings involvement in the Frontier Day attacks. And Naomi Wildman for the Fenris Rangers and the Romulan Free State.
Don't get me started on the fans who insist on having Naomi Wildman, Kestra Troi-Riker, Alexander, and Miral Paris serving on the Enterprise-G together! (God, it sounds like bad fanfic
Imagine a tv movie involving the offspring of the Ent-D crew: Alexander, Soji, the LaForge Sisters, Kestra Troi-Riker, Jack Crusher, Wesley Crusher, Admiral Sela. And maybe Molly O’Brien and her younger brother Kirayoshi. Let’s add that emergent lifeform too.
Think they’ll remember Jeremy Aster, Jason Vigo and Elnor?
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