Sorry, but services like P+ are the future. And P+ has far more to watch now than when they first launched. They just don’t advertise their stuff.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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It's shrinking but is still a sizeable market, Netflix and CBS are 1 and 2 when it comes to viewership. Much too early to bail out.
Paramount+ is a medium sized fish in a crowded pond. Better to get out of the pond entirely and sell food to the other fish.
Paramount had a bunch of Trek content on the streaming Crave on Canada and pulled all of them to put them on P+, to take P+ internationally.
They clearly don’t have confidence in that idea in leaving their shows on other streaming shows, even though it was working.
Never forget that a reason that there are more streaming services than people can keep up with is because companies like Paramount thought they could make money with their own streaming service, Instead of leaving their libraries on Netflix, which had a much larger reach already.
Pulling their content made sense when they were trying to build up the service. It's been a few years now, and they have real data to analyze now.
Yes, they thought (past tense) they could make money. If they get new ownership and go private, then the new boss is under no obligation to continue the Paramount+ experiment.
Netflix is hemorrhaging money (they've just cancelled 100+ shows).
Leaving stuff on Netflix is not an ideal solution.
I think they're doing okay...
"its $33.7 billion of total revenue and its $5.4 billion of net profits were each by far the highest top- and bottom-line annual results in the company’s history."
and
"its near 30 million of net user additions in 2023 was its best growth since 2020, while its 13.1 million of net users added during Q4 easily topped analyst estimates of 8.7 million."
and
"“It is becoming increasingly clear that Netflix has won the ‘streaming wars,’” Bank of America analysts led by Jessica Reif Ehrlich wrote in a note to clients last week."
Paramount and Peacock aren't going to be satisfied with that.
Satified with what? Continuing to lose money every quarter? Running a subscription based streaming service isn't an end unto itself. my scenario assumes that they are losing money now and will not lose money when ad supported.
Think back to roughly 2015-2019... new services coming left and right. Uber, food delivery apps, Airbnb, "the sharing economy"... all of that was possible because of asset price inflation and the credit boom. Streaming was taking off like crazy. Too much money was thrown at too many mediocre projects. Production costs soared. Almost every studio wanting a streaming service. CBS was very smart in getting Netflix to pay for DISCOVERY and Amazon for PICARD.
But just as you can't get a cheap Uber or below cost food delivery, something has to give with streaming. It's just too easy to game the system by jumping from service to service. Even then, too much content was produced. I keep wanting to get over to Apple+, but thanks to Black Friday I ended up with Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, and Starz. Plus "free" Tubi has a deep catalog with less ads than paid Hulu.
As long as the CBS network is connected with the Viacom legacy cable channels, Showtime, and the Paramount film studio, it would be hard for a licensing out everything model to work. The day and date CBS and Showtime stuff has to go somewhere.
My prediction... Paramount and Comcast essentially re-invent the original concept for Hulu with a joint streaming platform a la SkyShowtime in Europe. Paramount+Peacock. You'd also see far more more library content licensed out and new originals also produced for external platforms.
Legacy would be a good fit for either one. Oh nostalgia, nostalgia, fan service you say.
The SNW Hegemonists don't like the idea of having to share the Star Trek pie. They may scream nostalgia about PS3 or Legacy... but SNW has just as much nostalgia, just a different reboot-ish flavor of it.
You need to hit some kind of nostalgia note anyway to get people to sub to your streaming service and watch your series week to week, instead of waiting for the promo month to binge it. Legacy could do this, SFA... more doubtful.
But just as you can't get a cheap Uber or below cost food delivery, something has to give with streaming. It's just too easy to game the system by jumping from service to service. Even then, too much content was produced. I keep wanting to get over to Apple+, but thanks to Black Friday I ended up with Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, and Starz. Plus "free" Tubi has a deep catalog with less ads than paid Hulu.
As long as the CBS network is connected with the Viacom legacy cable channels, Showtime, and the Paramount film studio, it would be hard for a licensing out everything model to work. The day and date CBS and Showtime stuff has to go somewhere.
My prediction... Paramount and Comcast essentially re-invent the original concept for Hulu with a joint streaming platform a la SkyShowtime in Europe. Paramount+Peacock. You'd also see far more more library content licensed out and new originals also produced for external platforms.
Legacy would be a good fit for either one. Oh nostalgia, nostalgia, fan service you say.
The SNW Hegemonists don't like the idea of having to share the Star Trek pie. They may scream nostalgia about PS3 or Legacy... but SNW has just as much nostalgia, just a different reboot-ish flavor of it.
You need to hit some kind of nostalgia note anyway to get people to sub to your streaming service and watch your series week to week, instead of waiting for the promo month to binge it. Legacy could do this, SFA... more doubtful.
It's a difference that stands out when Picard Season 1 is treated as an outlier while Season 3 is fine even with the same elements of story.
It's nostalgia poorly used.
Showtime has just been absorbed into P+.
Hulu is being absorbed into Disney+.
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/disney-plus-adds-hulu-content-beta-launch-1235823013/
No one has ever denied SNW has nostalgia. The difference is SNW also brings something new to the table whereas Picard S3 is ten hours of just "'Member TNG? I 'member."
SNW is all about nostalgia (Pike, Spock, Kirk, Uhura, Scotty, the Gorn ...)
That no one except Terry Matalas wanted ...
True, but Showtime is still a premium cable channel a la HBO within Max, with its own specific content (DEXTER, YELLOWJACKETS, BILLIONS...). There will still be a difference between a "CBS show", a "Paramount+" show, and a "Showtime" show.
True, but the original concept for Hulu circa 2008 was to have broadcast TV and basic cable shows from ABC/Disney, Fox/TCF, and NBC/Universal.
If P+ and Peacock are too small on their own, combining the back end makes sense, especially as CBS and NBC can't be merged.
Plus the massive subset of Star Trek fans that have been underserved since 2009That no one except Terry Matalas wanted ...
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PS3 also brought massive growth for the TNG characters, pleasing both actors and audience. Plus showing "what happened next" with several TNG / DS9 / VGR plotlines.
"I 'member'."... is STLD.
Whereas SNW is ST09 2.0. I wonder are there many people that liked the Abramsverse but don't like SNW? Or vice versa?
Not really.
It actually does the job of a prequel.
And moves them back.
It doesn't land very authentically to these characters, save for Worf. Geordi does on, but the ending lands so oddly.
It's nostalgia but feels less deep than what I gain with Pike.
Well a reboot masquerading as a prequel...
While Legacy would (well most likely!) be sequel and a continuation.
It's not like PS3 ripped off the ending of TVH, with Picard, Riker, Data, Troi, Worf, Geordi, and Beverly all serving in their E-D positions on the E-G...
The torch really is passed, far more than the 23rd century opening to GEN.
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