The CW is having problems (they cancelled 3/4 of their schedule).
P+ wants a "bridge" show in between Prodigy and adult stuff like Disco and Picard.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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The CW is having problems (they cancelled 3/4 of their schedule).
P+ wants a "bridge" show in between Prodigy and adult stuff like Disco and Picard.
Maybe SFA will be able to channel my inner 20-year-old the same PRO is able to channel my inner 10-year-old. If not, then I'm not watching it. It's true, I'm a hardcore DSC Fan, but that doesn't automatically mean I'll be a hardcore SFA Fan.
I still think the most likely thing that will happen is that SNW will run five seasons, until 2026, then Legacy replaces it. Maybe during the same calendar year. They'll go from one show with the Enterprise to another. "From one generation to the next!" What better way to celebrate the 60th Anniversary?
It seems like it takes a few years to get these series off the ground. They'd also have to figure out how to format Legacy so they can get a multi-season run out of it. Picard Season 3 didn't have much time to flesh out the brand-new characters (aside from Jack) because it was more TNG Season 8 than it was Legacy Season 0.
I still think the most likely thing that will happen is that SNW will run five seasons, until 2026, then Legacy replaces it. Maybe during the same calendar year. They'll go from one show with the Enterprise to another. "From one generation to the next!" What better way to celebrate the 60th Anniversary?
It seems like it takes a few years to get these series off the ground. They'd also have to figure out how to format Legacy so they can get a multi-season run out of it. Picard Season 3 didn't have much time to flesh out the brand-new characters (aside from Jack) because it was more TNG Season 8 than it was Legacy Season 0.
To me, that kind of niche programming makes no sense, especially when it comes to a streaming platform when your overall goal is to expand subscribers. If people are going to subscribe to Paramount+ for Star Trek, it's going to be to watch a premiere Star Trek product, not because there's a specific teen Trek show being offered, especially if it's the equivalent of a cheap Canadian production with no-name young talent, and dodgy visual effects like those CW shows.
A good many of us got into Star Trek as children. We didn't need a teen version of Star Trek as a gateway to watching TNG or DS9. We watched TNG and DS9 because there was stuff to appeal to children and as we got older we understood there was more going on with those stories beyond phasers and photon torpedoes.
I love that a series like Prodigy exists, and if they can make Starfleet Academy work I hope the best as a viewer, but to me if you have to go into an "either or" situation it doesn't make good sense on a product level versus having a Legacy show that is probably more the bread and butter of where your audience is.
Is five the new seven?
P+ is having to compete with Netflix. (It's a bloodbath. Most shows don't get past three seasons over there -- GLOW, Lost in Space, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, etc.
)Disco was a test case. (How long can they run something before it becomes expensive?)
I don't see SNW doing five seasons (four at best in this environment).
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I am still fairly certain, that the new SFA show won’t be set in the 32nd century when (and if) it airs in 2025.
Since the Star Trek Universe concept is obviously financially not sustainable, we can expect more shows to getting cancelled or not even produced in the first place.
Keep in mind how often the S31 show has been officially announced by CBS, it has now become the announcement of an one time only tv movie. The same can happen to SFA in the 32nd century. There is a strong momentum of fans demanding a Picard S3 spinoff show. CBS will most likely listen, they want to make money after all…
Star Trek has become a fight about ideas, due to budgetary constraints, not all of them can become a live action tv show. CBS has always been flippy-floppy when it comes to their plans for the Trek franchise. Just let them flop a little more. Make #StarTrekLegacy happen, cancel SFA, its the only way, the right way of going forward…
Since the Star Trek Universe concept is obviously financially not sustainable, we can expect more shows to getting cancelled or not even produced in the first place.
Keep in mind how often the S31 show has been officially announced by CBS, it has now become the announcement of an one time only tv movie. The same can happen to SFA in the 32nd century. There is a strong momentum of fans demanding a Picard S3 spinoff show. CBS will most likely listen, they want to make money after all…
Star Trek has become a fight about ideas, due to budgetary constraints, not all of them can become a live action tv show. CBS has always been flippy-floppy when it comes to their plans for the Trek franchise. Just let them flop a little more. Make #StarTrekLegacy happen, cancel SFA, its the only way, the right way of going forward…
I'd say its very likely. The show broke into the top ten Nielsen Ratings which is a big thing. A lot of old fans and their spending power have turned back up.
It has enormous power with the studio as a result.
It's also the most important thing to note for a studio and the money men:
It's safe.
By doing this "greatest hits tour" and promising the same in potential future show. Matalas has already said he'd love it to basically be a show where they'd be "checking in" on old plots and locations.
You could easily continue the season-long arcs we got from Picard and that would allow the show to continue to be something "unique" in the mix.
Like, we don't have to have universe ending issues to drive a plot, I'd quite like to see that rest of that thoughtfullness that came with S3 of Picard applied, so we can have a long running plot, but it be about the system or issue of the week across the season (Bajoran-Cardassian fallout etc).
Matalas himself has said it'd be basically about nabbing as many characters as possible from the other shows to pop in.
We also know if they did move the studios so it was all under one roof (something I think highly likely) Sir Patrick Stewart would at the very least just do his on a greenscreen to offer advice to Jack.
It has enormous power with the studio as a result.
It's also the most important thing to note for a studio and the money men:
It's safe.
By doing this "greatest hits tour" and promising the same in potential future show. Matalas has already said he'd love it to basically be a show where they'd be "checking in" on old plots and locations.
You could easily continue the season-long arcs we got from Picard and that would allow the show to continue to be something "unique" in the mix.
Like, we don't have to have universe ending issues to drive a plot, I'd quite like to see that rest of that thoughtfullness that came with S3 of Picard applied, so we can have a long running plot, but it be about the system or issue of the week across the season (Bajoran-Cardassian fallout etc).
Matalas himself has said it'd be basically about nabbing as many characters as possible from the other shows to pop in.
We also know if they did move the studios so it was all under one roof (something I think highly likely) Sir Patrick Stewart would at the very least just do his on a greenscreen to offer advice to Jack.
Maybe they can scale SFA back to a series of movies?
if the first SFA TV movie becomes an overwhelming success, I’d be fine with it becoming a series of its own. If not, well then CBS saved themselves a truckload of money…
This! 100%
I can see SOMETHING happening regarding this entire spin-off idea, PIC's season 3 set things up exactly the right way. Either as a series or as a movie event. If Paramount is smart they're gonna milk the whole TNG/DS9/VOY nostalgia mood as much as they can.
On the other hand... Paramount being smart hasn't always been the case now, has it.
On the other hand... Paramount being smart hasn't always been the case now, has it.
I'd rather not have member berries just for the sake of having them (I could frankly care less about Leeta and Rom.
)I can see SOMETHING happening regarding this entire spin-off idea, PIC's season 3 set things up exactly the right way. Either as a series or as a movie event. If Paramount is smart they're gonna milk the whole TNG/DS9/VOY nostalgia mood as much as they can.
On the other hand... Paramount being smart hasn't always been the case now, has it.
It helps having the fans beat them over the head about it.
There is no evidence the Star Trek Universe isn't financially sustainable.
SNW did quite good numbers. Picard is doing great numbers. Apparently Prodigy and LD do decent. We don't know how Discovery does, but they put a ton of money into Season 4. It was lavishly made. Ending it at 5 could just as much be about contract negotiation (actors get pricier as time goes on). That they're going to make a 2 hour section 31 movies, which will probably cost tens of millions, shows further confidence in the franchise as a revenue generator.
Paramount doesn't have many active IPs to begin with, so the chances of them scaling back Star Trek is unlikely. It'll never do Star Wars numbers, but it also doesn't have to. Really the only ouitstanding question is if the new movie occupies the "3rd live action" slot or an all new slot. If the 3rd slot still exists, Legacy could happen. If it's a 2 slot, it won't. Maybe they could do a mini series or movie. If it is a 3 slot, it likely will.
Kurtzman's comments yesterday make me think Legacy, in some form, is coming. This feedback took them by surprise.
I'd rather not have member berries just for the sake of having them (I could frankly care less about Leeta and Rom.
Nope. Now I want an episode on Ferenginar where Rom's having a huge crisis and calls for help.
Only, unlike literally every other character we ever see he's exactly the same as he was 20 years ago.
I think that'd be downright hilarious.
And no, I also agree with you on this. There's the risk of memberberrying ourselves to death, but if it can be done well (and so far, we're now 10 episodes down with the memberberrying done well....) well.
Continue my nostalgia-trip plz.
I suspect that if Q became a recurring role, he would choose to appear as Shaw around Seven.
I can see him doing that just to get Seven's goat.
It shouldn't have. We've only been doing this for a YEAR!
/sarcasm
Hahaha. I think Kurtzman and others got so wrapped up in the "culturally iconic" nature of the NCC-1701, Kirk, Spock and the 23rd century era, and though it timeless, that they forgot or ignored the 24th century was insanely popular, and by this point, probably far more people have been brought to Star Trek by the TNG-Enterprise era, than the TOS era. TOS may be iconic but we're talking 3 seasons of a 60s show that can be hard to watch because of how 60s shows were written and acted, vs 25 seasons of a series of 80s-00s shows that while not modern storytelling, is still recognizable.
I think they figured "Picard" was a solid for hard core fans and Season 3 was basically a "well, we're never doing this again, so let's go nuts", and discovered that the 24th, now 25th century is actually the heart of the franchise.
A changeling would be a terrible mistake because it would undermine the entire Season. I don't think Matalas will ever do that. And while having him be the Emergency Engineering Hologram would be hilarious, that's kind of lame and just retreads the Doctor finding personhood.
I would instead have Section 31 take his body (and having his family bury an empty casket so to speak) and use it as an experiment for "Project Phoenix", the scheme to revive Captain Kirk. They figure that they can fail with Shaw, because he's a recent, somewhat unremarkable Starfleet captain who won't be missed except by the people who know him, and they don't want to mess up Kirk's body. They succeed, but the process is incomplete and Shaw has bouts of being emotionally unstable (acting range). In a round about way, the 1701G find out about this, rescue Shaw and go on a mission to find out what Section 31 is up to in order to stabilize Shaw. Along the way, they find out about the rest of what Section 31 has been experimenting with from Daystrom, and Legacy, in a literal sense, becomes the 1701G crew facing the clean up... the Legacy... of some of the prior missions of Starfleet that has returned weird shit.
Something like that.
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