Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[RuleofAcuisition17]

Something to bear in mind is that even if Legacy were to be be greenlit tomorrow, it would take a while to produce. Discovery S2 premiered in 2019, but Strange New Worlds didn't premiere until 2022. If Legacy follows the same timeline, it won't premiere until 2026.

I fairness, there was a tiny, minor, miniscule issue between 2019 and 2022 that lead to a lot of delays.

Can't quite put my finger on it, however...

She seems to be very positive towards Star Trek.

The woman's career basically got another relaunch off of the back of her acting in Discovery. She feels like she "owes" it something at the very least.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I hope they don't take too long... the folks aren't getting any younger if Star Trek Legacy is a telling of Enterprise G's maiden voyage with those characters. I'd love it if the G incorporated the cloaking device into its future arsenal, not just a one-off.

Unfortunately, I got the impression that the LaBorgs totalled that cloak with their phaser fire in ep 10.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unfortunately, I got the impression that the LaBorgs totalled that cloak with their phaser fire in ep 10.

LaBorgs.

 

[Mudd]

I fairness, there was a tiny, minor, miniscule issue between 2019 and 2022 that lead to a lot of delays.

Can't quite put my finger on it, however...



The woman's career basically got another relaunch off of the back of her acting in Discovery. She feels like she "owes" it something at the very least.

She was shooting Crazy Rich Asians five or six months before STD premiered. Career-wise, Trek was a drop in the ocean.

 

[Anduinel]

Jack and Raffi on the Enterprise don't feel like good fits to me. Raffi in large part because of her relationship with Seven. If they had her as captain or first officer on another ship-I'm guessing Starfleet is in need of more captains right now-that makes more sense. It also feels righter that Raffi would go off on more adventures with Worf. Though I was also thinking it would've been nice if Raffi and Jack, who both seem to work well outside the strictures of Starfleet-had taken off in the La Sirena to help people who the Federation didn't or wasn't able to.

If Legacy happens, I hope they say it's a few years later and shakeup the cast a bit. I still would like Raffi and Jack to be part of the series, just not in the roles they were in in the finale. I could see Raffi and Jack more like Book on Discovery.

I think it depends on the kind of show they've got in mind. The "what do a pirate, a spy, and a thief do on the bridge of a starship?" and the new Enterprise not being the fleet flagship make me think they might be setting up a scrappier, more blatantly "the rules are more like guidelines" kind of Trek show. Which I'd be interested in.

 

[James Cole]

People were very quick to call Burnham a Mary Sue, even if she was intended to be the lead in a series of her own rather than an already existing one. It would be interesting if Jack is treated the same way (or not) if all this talk of him being in a PIC spinoff comes to pass.

The term "Mary Sue" (like "woke"!) tends to be counterproductive to discussion instead of getting to the point and avoiding the use of repetitive descriptions.

Luckily Star Trek fans have the label "Wesley Crusher" to reach for. I'd hope that doesn't happen with Jack in a potential Legacy.

 

[DarKush]

I think it depends on the kind of show they've got in mind. The "what do a pirate, a spy, and a thief do on the bridge of a starship?" and the new Enterprise not being the fleet flagship make me think they might be setting up a scrappier, more blatantly "the rules are more like guidelines" kind of Trek show. Which I'd be interested in.

The new Enterprise isn't the flagship? If not, seems like more of a waste to rename the Titan.

 

[TerryTrek]

Regarding Jack Crusher.

He's the protagonist and narrative-focus of the spinoff (if it ever happens). He is Star Trek Legacy. Matalas has hinted about this in plenty of interviews.

That's part of the reason they ended it with that scene between him and Q, setting up an intriguing Shakespearean dynamic between them. Jack's trial is ahead.

Additionally, Dan Murrell's interview with Matalas today gave some new insight on the format of the series. He's going to go for standalone intellectual stories (like 90s Trek) with a few serialization elements here and there. Klingons in one episode. DS9 in another, and so forth.

 

[HotRod]

You know, A thought occurred to me just now. With all the praise that is heaped towards Lord Terry and his writing staff, I can't help but feel they didn't really have a single real original thought.

Think about it for a minute....

The plot lines from Season 3 were a series of rehashed themes and ideas, that while entertaining, were hardly original. Wrath of Khan was all over the first few episodes, then we go into the whole "old hat" of a conspiracy in Starfleet, followed up by the Borg, back again for another round.

Now, I'm hardly the only person to bring this up, but I have not seen many bring up my next point...

Shaw, a character I did very much enjoy, was an absolute rip off of Robert Shaw's Quint from Jaws. Terry has admitted the character was an obvious tribute, but I never realized how beyond a tribute he really went.

Both characters suffered though an unimaginable horror in their youth. They both suffered survivors guilt. They both went on to be self admitted assholes. And they both succumbed to the same enemy that traumatized them in their youth.

Like, I get it. Jaws is one one the greatest movies ever made..... but there's such thing as going too far with your homage.

 

[Citiprime]

I don't see the "two Enterprises" in two different shows angle being a problem honestly.

For one thing, Paramount pursued two separate Enterprise properties with TNG and the TOS movies. And, to me, depending on how you play it, that could sets up a crossover event where past and 25th century Enterprise crews cross paths to save the universe.

Also, given the fact the show is called "Legacy." there's nothing that say it has to be centered always on the Enterprise-G.

 

[James Cole]

You know, A thought occurred to me just now. With all the praise that is heaped towards Lord Terry and his writing staff, I can't help but feel they didn't really have a single real original thought.

If elevated to the peerage, Terry would be a viscount or an earl, not a mere lord

 

[Lord Garth]

I don't see the "two Enterprises" in two different shows angle being a problem honestly.

For one thing, Paramount pursued two separate Enterprise properties with TNG and the TOS movies. And, to me, depending on how you play it, that could sets up a crossover event where past and 25th century Enterprise crews cross paths to save the universe.

Also, given the fact the show is called "Legacy." there's nothing that say it has to be centered always on the Enterprise-G.

I don't think the "two Enterprises at the same time" thing should be a hangup either.

What it boils down to is: would the two series be different enough from each other? The characters will be different enough. But how about the stories? From the way it seems, the stories would be different enough. The galaxy in the 23rd Century and 25th Century are different places. The Federation in Legacy is a much older entity than it is in SNW, so the series wouldn't really be about "exploring strange new worlds." It's not the vibe I get out of the Early-25th Century.

 

[fireproof78]

Luckily Star Trek fans have the label "Wesley Crusher" to reach for. I'd hope that doesn't happen with Jack in a potential Legacy.

Jack's blind acceptance as Starfleet material is indicative he will never have acceptance issues, despite a criminal record. Connections.

 

[Citiprime]

I don't think the "two Enterprises at the same time" thing should be a hangup either.

What it boils down to is: would the two series be different enough from each other? The characters will be different enough. But how about the stories? From the way it seems, the stories would be different enough. The galaxy in the 23rd Century and 25th Century are different places. The Federation in Legacy is a much older entity than it is in SNW, so the series wouldn't really be about "exploring strange new worlds." It's not the vibe I get out of the Early-25th Century.

I think you could basically recreate the dynamic that Trek had with TNG and DS9. If TNG was about "exploring strange new worlds" and the characters having episodic adventures, then DS9 was about the long-term consequences and how those consequences affect the people and institutions.

Strange New Worlds can be about a young Starfleet still finding its place in the greater galaxy, where a Legacy series goes on new adventures while revisiting those places where we've gone before and the people they've met along the way to see aftermaths, and shows a Starfleet that's still adhering to its mission but having those consequences in the back of its head as part of their decision making.

 

[Danja]

The Federation in Legacy is a much older entity than it is in SNW, so the series wouldn't really be about "exploring strange new worlds."

Spoiler

Starfleet has been cut to pieces in Picard S3.

A good portion of the senior officer corps was killed in the Borg attack. The kids are running the show.

 

[Lord Garth]

Spoiler

Starfleet has been cut to pieces in Picard S3.

A good portion of the senior officer corps was killed in the Borg attack. The kids are running the show.

Never trust anyone over 30.

... wait a minute...

 

[TerryTrek]

If that's the case, I think that would be the wrong way to go. It should be Seven's series. Jack of course could play an important part. Seven is a character that better connects old and new Trek together. Perhaps by the end of the series run that would be Jack (or Sidney for that matter), but I think it could be a mistake to not build the series around her.

Seven's story has more or less been told. She completed her arc.

Jack is the hook for new audiences (and old, since he is the 'Legacy' of the aforementioned series), the perspective character that drives the narrative. The one on trial with adventures ahead and a lot to prove.

IMO, Jack, Seven, Sidney and Shaw (as Engineer) are the ones worth keeping. Give me four new characters alongside them (preferably aliens) and set this on a refit Enterprise-G several years later.

There's got to be some time gap, because Speelers in his 40s can't keep playing 22 year old Jack.

 

[Relayer1]

It's a pity Dahj and Soji were disposed of so neatly in S1 and S2. I'd have liked them to have been carried forward into Legacy or whatever comes next.

 

[DarKush]

Seven's story has more or less been told. She completed her arc.

Jack is the hook for new audiences (and old, since he is the 'Legacy' of the aforementioned series), the perspective character that drives the narrative. The one on trial with adventures ahead and a lot to prove.

IMO, Jack, Seven, Sidney and Shaw (as Engineer) are the ones worth keeping. Give me four new characters alongside them (preferably aliens) and set this on a refit Enterprise-G several years later.

There's got to be some time gap, because Speelers in his 40s can't keep playing 22 year old Jack.

I don't disagree with you about Jack or the other young or newer characters necessarily, however Seven's story isn't done. I don't see her becoming captain as the end of her story. It's her reconciling with her humanity, or balancing her Borg and human halves, that's what I see as her arc. And now there's a lot to play with regarding what Seven will be like as a captain. How well will Starfleet embrace her and so forth. How will things turn out with Raffi, how will they work together, etc.? And there's a lot of Voyager reunions left, as well as catching up with DS9, and even dabbling in the other new Trek series for world building.

Further, Jeri Ryan and Seven have always been popular, and I can't see them pushing her to the side for Jack, a relatively new character and even though he's the son of Trek royalty, and made an impressive debut, I don't see him alone as carrying a series just yet. If this was say a Jack and Beverly, or whomever, on the frontier spin off, that's one thing, but if they do a series set on the Enterprise, with a popular character as the captain already, I can't see them not giving Seven the spotlight, or a very sizable chunk of it. So far, the only Trek series that I've seen successfully get away from the captain as spotlight is Lower Decks, but even that series gives screen time to Captain Freeman, and perhaps the reason they made Mariner her daughter was to not go too far away from diminishing the captain's role. It's one of the tropes of Trek. Discovery tried it, but ultimately, they reverted back to what has become expected of a Trek series.

I also can't see them not making Seven the main face of Legacy when it comes to promoting the series. And it would be strange to have all these live-action captains as the faces of their series, and then Jack.

 

[TerryTrek]

I don't disagree with you about Jack or the other young or newer characters necessarily, however Seven's story isn't done. I don't see her becoming captain as the end of her story. It's her reconciling with her humanity, or balancing her Borg and human halves, that's what I see as her arc. And now there's a lot to play with regarding what Seven will be like as a captain. How well will Starfleet embrace her and so forth. How will things turn out with Raffi, how will they work together, etc.? And there's a lot of Voyager reunions left, as well as catching up with DS9, and even dabbling in the other new Trek series for world building.

Further, Jeri Ryan and Seven have always been popular, and I can't see them pushing her to the side for Jack, a relatively new character and even though he's the son of Trek royalty, and made an impressive debut, I don't see him alone as carrying a series just yet. If this was say a Jack and Beverly, or whomever, on the frontier spin off, that's one thing, but if they do a series set on the Enterprise, with a popular character as the captain already, I can't see them not giving Seven the spotlight, or a very sizable chunk of it. So far, the only Trek series that I've seen successfully get away from the captain as spotlight is Lower Decks, but even that series gives screen time to Captain Freeman, and perhaps the reason they made Mariner her daughter was to not go too far away from diminishing the captain's role. It's one of the tropes of Trek. Discovery tried it, but ultimately, they reverted back to what has become expected of a Trek series.

I also can't see them not making Seven the main face of Legacy when it comes to promoting the series. And it would be strange to have all these live-action captains as the faces of their series, and then Jack.

It's similar to how Burnham was the lead of Discovery when she was not the Captain.

Jack is "Star Trek: Legacy" Picard S3 literally ends with Q setting up the spinoff as Jack's trial.

No doubt Seven will play a significant part (Jeri and Terry have been close friends for decades), however this may not be the Enterprise series some assume it is. It's going to follow Jack and the next, next generation...wherever they end up. New ships, new crews etc.

Seven has already going through the arc of self-discovery. Heck, Pic S3 was about her finding her new family and she did. While there is more for her ahead the most compelling stuff is done, she's gone from a damaged, traumatized individual to fully realized and healed.

And why wouldn't Starfleet embrace her? She saved them all. Even Raffi is being praised as a hero. If anything Starfleet may have bigger issues with Jack ahead and his involvement with the Frontier Day incident. Whether he may still be compromised. Similar challenges to what Picard faced post-Locutus (we saw this in First Contact).