Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1st

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

You've not made any "negatives" clear. And don't you want respect for yourself? That you can operate as your own person and be independent? If you don't work what DO you do with the hours of your days?

I already have respect for myself. As for what I do, I read, watch TV, go to the library. I don't know how being forced to work would make me more "independant". Anyway, I'm not trying to cause trouble. I'm not sure if MikeH92467 asking me to post in the neutral zone was a euphemism for something (maybe that I should stay silent for 70 years like the Romulans?) but this is kind of screwing up the thread. I never intending to get into a long conversation about how I live my life and my desire to not work.

There's a forum here called "The Neutral Zone" it's normally hidden, you have to opt into it.

Go to the "User CP" link at the tool bar on top. On the right side of the screen are a list of links. Second heading "Networking" click on "Groups and Memberships" and un-click the radial next to "The Neutral Zone."

I did not know that I've opted in to in now.

Personally, I think Kirk's father should submit to a drug test every week to make sure he's not smoking crack.

Personally, I think Kirk's father should submit to a drug test every week to make sure he's not smoking crack.

Would probably refuse because he'd be afraid the gubmint would come take his twenty-two year old baby away.

Screw you. My Dad's in his mid fifties, and spent most of his life as a construction worker (with some time in a forest firefighter type job, working for a national park and doing work in other various jobs when he was younger). From the years he spent working various construction jobs, he's gotten a horrible neck and various other problems in his hands and back. He gets bouts of dizziness and has other problems because of that.


His problems come from working, even if it wasn't a single incident, and thats why he gets state help. He's working with the state and currently doing a "go to school/retraining" thing, after which they'll help him get a job in some clerical type of position. Until then, he gets money from the state, but he's no crack head taking advantage of anything. When it comes to working he's my exact opposite, he's an extremely hard worker that is only not working because of his problems. I don't know where your comment came from, but aim your insults at me. My dad doesn't deserve to get insulted by some random guy on the internet for no other reason than the person doesn't like me or thinks my dad shouldn't put up with me.

I'd worry about your family's dire financial situation and how that jibs with the GOP's current economic platform.

I'm not trying to take a jab at anyone but I do question the intelligence of those who follow the current GOP.

The GOP says "God, guns and the Government is coming to get folks" and it seems these people just completely turn their brains off and become mindless drones.


Yanks and kirk55555 are perfect examples of this, not even investigating the issues they claim are the reason of their hatred of Obamacare.

What is there to investigate? All the info comes from people who are biased. Democrats won't admit the problems it has (and don't care about people who can't afford it) and generally I don't trust Republicans to tell even half the truth. Like I said, 90% of the time I'm not agreeing with republicans over various issues, and my opinion of them as a group is pretty low. But, in this instance (and in other things related to it) they seem to want to screw me over less than the Democrats. Besides, all I need to know is that the government is charging me for being alive. I don't need obamacare, I don't want it, and its still going to only cause me problems. Thats the truh of the matter for me personally, ignoring all the BS from both sides.

 

[BillJ]

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My dad doesn't deserve to get insulted by some random guy on the internet for no other reason than the person doesn't like me or thinks my dad shouldn't put up with me.

You're right and I apologize for piling on.

My only issue with your Mom and Dad is that they haven't made you grow up and be a man. It probably hurts your Dad to have to be on public assistance during a tumultuous time in his life because from what you say, he is a hard worker who spent his life doing what is right.

It might brighten his day if you got a job and offered to help out, reducing his need for public assistance even if it's just a little bit.

Everything I'm saying I'm saying from the perspective of a parent of three (one adult, one nearly an adult and a first-grader) not someone who disagrees with you on political issues.

What is there to investigate? All the info comes from people who are biased.

Usually if you sniff out information from multiple, diverse sources you can figure out what really going on. And you'll find it beats watching TV.

 

[Lindley]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

What's the downside to applying for medicaid coverage again? It's free for those with low income.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Screw you. My Dad's in his mid fifties, and spent most of his life as a construction worker (with some time in a forest firefighter type job, working for a national park and doing work in other various jobs when he was younger). From the years he spent working various construction jobs, he's gotten a horrible neck and various other problems in his hands and back. He gets bouts of dizziness and has other problems because of that.

His problems come from working, even if it wasn't a single incident, and thats why he gets state help. He's working with the state and currently doing a "go to school/retraining" thing, after which they'll help him get a job in some clerical type of position. Until then, he gets money from the state, but he's no crack head taking advantage of anything. When it comes to working he's my exact opposite, he's an extremely hard worker that is only not working because of his problems. I don't know where your comment came from, but aim your insults at me. My dad doesn't deserve to get insulted by some random guy on the internet for no other reason than the person doesn't like me or thinks my dad shouldn't put up with me.

Squiggy should have articulated this better so it didn't come off as insinuating anything about your dad, but I don't believe he was actually accusing your dad of being on drugs. I think he was referring to Republican programs in various states that require people receiving welfare or other benefits to be tested for drug use. It's a form of shaming the poor and those in need and treating them like they're low class and criminals without cause.

However, given what you say about your dad's work ethic and your family's financial situation, which could take a turn for the worse simply with you winding up in the hospital for any kind of extended stay (which could easily happen despite your youthful assumption of invincibility), your irrational and baseless hatred of the ACA is baffling. And your unwillingness to seek employment and help out your parents when they continue to give you food, shelter, clothing, and everything else for free is just mind blowing to me. How could you not feel guilty about not helping them in return for all they've given you, or at the very least want to strike out on your own and have some independence?

What is there to investigate? All the info comes from people who are biased. Democrats won't admit the problems it has (and don't care about people who can't afford it) and generally I don't trust Republicans to tell even half the truth. Like I said, 90% of the time I'm not agreeing with republicans over various issues, and my opinion of them as a group is pretty low. But, in this instance (and in other things related to it) they seem to want to screw me over less than the Democrats. Besides, all I need to know is that the government is charging me for being alive. I don't need obamacare, I don't want it, and its still going to only cause me problems. Thats the truh of the matter for me personally, ignoring all the BS from both sides.

There are countless non-partisan sources who have provided in-depth analysis of the ACA. You seem to have abundant time on your hands, so you can spare thirty seconds for a Google search. Trust me, you will find no shortage of information about the ACA from sources who don't have a dog in the fight.

You may not need Obamacare right this minute. But with no insurance and no job prospects, and --this is a guess-- probably leading a pretty sedentary lifestyle since you're not waking up to go to work or school, you're going to need medical coverage soon enough. And that's not even counting accidents or illnesses that can spring up out of nowhere and leave you in massive debt.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

What's the downside to applying for medicaid coverage again? It's free for those with low income.

Having to spend a day at the welfare office might cut into his limited amount of free time? Plus, they would make him take a job training course then make him get a job to continue receiving benefits.

 

[Leroy]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Also, I'll never have a job outside of minimum wage work at a fast food place or (maybe if I'm really lucky) a grocery store. I'm a high school graduate with no real skills outside of just things anyone can do. No job Ill ever get is going to require having much work experience.

Then you can get skills outside the norm so you won't be forced into minimum wage stuff when you find yourself needing work. When I was in my early 20's I was almost done with my associates degree in electronics. I knew I needed something beyond HS if I wanted to find work other than the crummy retail gig I had at the time.

But economically I hate Democrats and especially Obamacare (and yes, I'm aware my family's state assistance is because I live in a democrat dominated state, they do a few good things but I still mostly hate democrats economic ideas, especially Obamacare).

Curious what are the economic ideas that you disagree with?

Besides, all I need to know is that the government is charging me for being alive. I don't need obamacare, I don't want it, and its still going to only cause me problems.

The government is NOT "charging you for being alive" if you do not work as you claim the individual mandate does not apply to you.

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

What may hinder Kirk5555 when he decides to enter the work place is that when he does a CV (or resumé I think is the term you American's use) or fill in an application form. The work history will be blank, prospective employers might look less favourable on such an application as it could indicate an unwilligness to work.

Now of course given the current economic climate, it might be more difficult for some young persons to find their first job and an employer would take that into consideration, but as that person gets older without their first job even if it's flipping burgers in McDonald's could be considered a negative.

My first job was packing eggs in a battery farm, I was also stacking shelves in my local supermarket. I'm still working for that Supermarket but I've progressed and moved up, including a sideways move foor a few years). So many people start at the bottom and work their way up.

 

[sidious618]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

That's exactly right. McDonald's will not hire a 40 year old with no work experience. Ain't gonna happen.

Do some volunteer work. It'll look great on the resume and will give you solid experience that can help you land a job that isn't minimum wage.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Also, I'll never have a job outside of minimum wage work at a fast food place or (maybe if I'm really lucky) a grocery store. I'm a high school graduate with no real skills outside of just things anyone can do. No job Ill ever get is going to require having much work experience.

Then you can get skills outside the norm so you won't be forced into minimum wage stuff when you find yourself needing work. When I was in my early 20's I was almost done with my associates degree in electronics. I knew I needed something beyond HS if I wanted to find work other than the crummy retail gig I had at the time.

But economically I hate Democrats and especially Obamacare (and yes, I'm aware my family's state assistance is because I live in a democrat dominated state, they do a few good things but I still mostly hate democrats economic ideas, especially Obamacare).

Curious what are the economic ideas that you disagree with?

Well, Obamacare is the big one. Forcing people to get something when they don't want or need is wrong. This isn't like car insurance or stuff like that. Some things make sense as requirements, like the already mentioned car insurance if you own a car. Health insurance should always remain optional. Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

I live in washington state, which is democrat controlled. Over the years the state government has done enough stupid stuff to make me hate democrats economic stuff in general. Honestly, without Obamacare, I'd just roll my eyes at most of the stupid democrat stuff. On a state level, a lot of stupidity can (and has) been overruled by people (like the state adding the state sales tax to stuff like candy and soda, which got repealed by the people of the state very quickly). Before Obamacare came around, I was a moderate guy who just thought democrats could be as crazy as republicans at times, but had some good ideas when it came to peoples rights. Now, I honestly just hate democrats.

Even if a lot of the areas where I agreed with them before I still agree with them, Obamacare is the innate Democrat insanity risen to a new level. Republican insanity manifests as outright lies and delusions about things (which you can see by watching Fox News for 30 seconds at any time of the day), and being unfair to groups of people. Democratic insanity comes when they want everyone to give them money for stupid stuff. They do some good stuff, but still democrats seem to always want to make people pay, even when they can't afford it. Say what you want about rich republicans, but democrats are the ones who want all the money, regardless of your ability to give it to them.

What may hinder Kirk5555 when he decides to enter the work place is that when he does a CV (or resumé I think is the term you American's use) or fill in an application form. The work history will be blank, prospective employers might look less favourable on such an application as it could indicate an unwilligness to work.


Now of course given the current economic climate, it might be more difficult for some young persons to find their first job and an employer would take that into consideration, but as that person gets older without their first job even if it's flipping burgers in McDonald's could be considered a negative.

That's exactly right. McDonald's will not hire a 40 year old with no work experience. Ain't gonna happen.

Do some volunteer work. It'll look great on the resume and will give you solid experience that can help you land a job that isn't minimum wage.

I'm not too bothered by that. I'm sure that, regardless of my lack of resume, I'll someday be able to get some kind of job, and since its all minimum wage one job is basically the same as any other. Someone somewhere will hire anyone, its all the same to me. As for volunteer work, if I don't want to work for money, I'm not going to work for free.

 

[Lindley]

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Minimum wage is no way to live.

Find something you like doing, then figure out a way to make money off it. Simple as that.

 

[MacLeod]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Remember accidents do happen, and you might catch a disease or virus that needs expensive treatment. Anything is possible.

In the UK for example it is estimated that unisured drivers at £33 (US$50) to every premium. I don't like the fact that I am having to pay extra just because some won't take out insurance.

A lack of work eperiance can mean your resumé finds it's way to the bottom of the pile.

 

[J.T.B.]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

My dad doesn't deserve to get insulted by some random guy on the internet for no other reason than the person doesn't like me or thinks my dad shouldn't put up with me.

That's true. He probably doesn't deserve a son who's too lazy to work, either. There are some people who would see their parents in that kind of situation and actually try to help, most obviously by getting a job.

Besides, all I need to know is that the government is charging me for being alive.

And yet you apparently have no problem "charging" your parents and taxpayers for you being alive.

I don't need obamacare, I don't want it, and its still going to only cause me problems.

No one needs health insurance, until they need it. I'm pretty healthy and I never thought that a pane of glass would break on me and my fingers would need $10,000 worth of micro-surgery. Then one day it happened.

I'm not too bothered by that. I'm sure that, regardless of my lack of resume, I'll someday be able to get some kind of job, and since its all minimum wage one job is basically the same as any other.

It may not be as easy as you think. Employers will wonder why this guy hasn't worked all these years, but probably won't want to find out. You will not be able to demonstrate that you have developed habits of responsibility, dependability, punctuality and so on.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

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Health insurance should always remain optional. Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

So requiring you to get health insurance would be screwing you over, but requiring the rest of us to pay for your medical bills isn't screwing us?

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Minimum wage is no way to live.

Find something you like doing, then figure out a way to make money off it. Simple as that.

Minimum wage is the only way my family has lived for a long time. Nothing I like to do contributes to any job I could get.

It may not be as easy as you think. Employers will wonder why this guy hasn't worked all these years, but probably won't want to find out. You will not be able to demonstrate that you have developed habits of responsibility, dependability, punctuality and so on.

I don't think it will be easy, I just think it will be the same level of difficulty that it is now. I'm 22 (23 in 3 days), I don't think I'm quite at the point where my advanced age will make getting a job impossible, even if I don't get a job for a few years.

Health insurance should always remain optional. Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

So requiring you to get health insurance would be screwing you over, but requiring the rest of us to pay for your medical bills isn't screwing us?

Everyone gets screwed. Life seems to be making sure you get screwed the least. From a personal perspective, if someone is going to get screwed, I don't want it to be me. I'm pretty sure thats a normal reaction.

 

[Thestral]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Health insurance... Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

So... you don't care about the facts which correct your statement?

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Health insurance... Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

So... you don't care about the facts which correct your statement?

I understand that uninsured people cost hospitals money, and I've heard that the cost eventually makes it so that people with insurance pay more. Like I said before, someone is going to get screwed. I'd prefer it to be people who aren't me or my family.

 

[RoJoHen]

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Tax forms for young single people constitute a whole page.

Taxes are easy as shit if you're a single person with just one job. It takes me about 20 minutes to do them every year.

AND THEN I GET MONEY BACK! I love tax season!


Seriously, kirk5555, you know that at some point in the future you are going to have to get a job. In order to do that successfully, you will need to provide work history. The older you get without ever having a job, the more difficult it will be to get one down the road. A 40-year old man who turns in an application with no work history is going to get thrown in the trash.

You live at home, and it seems that your parents are okay with that. Why not at least poke around with some part-time work? Even if you don't need it to pay bills right now, you could start saving money for later. Even if you don't have the most glamorous job in the world, it doesn't have to be a horrible burden. My first job was bagging groceries about 15 hours a week for minimum wage. The job itself wasn't fun, but I made some friends and managed to work my way up in the company. After 9 months, I was promoted to another department in the store, where I made even more friends and started earning more money. I ended up being there for 6 years.

I've had 5 or 6 jobs in my life, and I actually enjoyed most of them. I have made more friends at my current job than I ever imagined was possible. Sometimes the financial situation is a strain, but I have benefited in so many other ways that it's totally worth it. I couldn't imagine my life without a job (I mean, really, what do you do all day?).

Just because you are unskilled and uneducated on paper doesn't mean you can't learn skills at the job. We all have to start somewhere, and for most of us, that means the bottom. But the awesome thing about starting at the bottom is that there's nowhere to go but up! You might surprise yourself.

 

[Manticore]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Health insurance... Its expensive, and not something that will effect anyone but yourself (I don't really care about what the costs of paying for uninsured medical care does to other people, there is no reason to screw over so many people because of that).

So... you don't care about the facts which correct your statement?

I understand that uninsured people cost hospitals money, and I've heard that the cost eventually makes it so that people with insurance pay more. Like I said before, someone is going to get screwed. I'd prefer it to be people who aren't me or my family.

You do realize that bankruptcy screws you over too, right?

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

So... you don't care about the facts which correct your statement?

I understand that uninsured people cost hospitals money, and I've heard that the cost eventually makes it so that people with insurance pay more. Like I said before, someone is going to get screwed. I'd prefer it to be people who aren't me or my family.

You do realize that bankruptcy screws you over too, right?

Bankruptcy only screws people over that have ambitions of ever accomplishing anything.

 

[kirk55555]

Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1

Tax forms for young single people constitute a whole page.

Taxes are easy as shit if you're a single person with just one job. It takes me about 20 minutes to do them every year.

AND THEN I GET MONEY BACK! I love tax season!


Seriously, kirk5555, you know that at some point in the future you are going to have to get a job. In order to do that successfully, you will need to provide work history. The older you get without ever having a job, the more difficult it will be to get one down the road. A 40-year old man who turns in an application with no work history is going to get thrown in the trash.

You live at home, and it seems that your parents are okay with that. Why not at least poke around with some part-time work? Even if you don't need it to pay bills right now, you could start saving money for later. Even if you don't have the most glamorous job in the world, it doesn't have to be a horrible burden. My first job was bagging groceries about 15 hours a week for minimum wage. The job itself wasn't fun, but I made some friends and managed to work my way up in the company. After 9 months, I was promoted to another department in the store, where I made even more friends and started earning more money. I ended up being there for 6 years.

I've had 5 or 6 jobs in my life, and I actually enjoyed most of them. I have made more friends at my current job than I ever imagined was possible. Sometimes the financial situation is a strain, but I have benefited in so many other ways that it's totally worth it. I couldn't imagine my life without a job (I mean, really, what do you do all day?).

Just because you are unskilled and uneducated on paper doesn't mean you can't learn skills at the job. We all have to start somewhere, and for most of us, that means the bottom. But the awesome thing about starting at the bottom is that there's nowhere to go but up! You might surprise yourself.

I already know that the bottom is where I'll stay whenever I end up getting a job. Whatever I do, its going to be the lowest job avaliable. I have no particular skills. I'll get a job kicking and screaming against the inevitability of it, and then if I'm lucky keep the same (or similar) entry level type jobs until I'm too old to work. The only solace is that being at the bottom, it probably won't get any worse.

I understand that uninsured people cost hospitals money, and I've heard that the cost eventually makes it so that people with insurance pay more. Like I said before, someone is going to get screwed. I'd prefer it to be people who aren't me or my family.

You do realize that bankruptcy screws you over too, right?

Bankruptcy only screws people over that have ambitions of ever accomplishing anything.

Whose bankruptcy are you even talking about?


Anyway, you're right about one thing. I have absolutely no ambitions of ever accomplishing anything outside of surviving. Jobs aren't for accomplishing anything, atleast not the jobs I could get. They're to make sure you don't starve to death. Since thats not an issue right now, I'm not looking to ruin my life with a job yet. There is nothing I want to accomplish, even if working did accomplish anything but survival.