Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1st
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
Another level?
I'm not slogging through this entire thread to read your opinions on Medicare and Medicaid if you already posted them, but for the sake of the latecomers to the thread what are your views on Medicare and Medicaid?
Are comprehensive and successful health insurance programs for the elderly, retired and poor just more unneeded government interference and socialism? If so, how do we cover the care of the elderly, retired and poor? Hope some local charity group has the funds available to cover some emergency medical bills? What would you replace those programs with, if anything?
Another level?
I'm not slogging through this entire thread to read your opinions on Medicare and Medicaid if you already posted them, but for the sake of the latecomers to the thread what are your views on Medicare and Medicaid?
Are comprehensive and successful health insurance programs for the elderly, retired and poor just more unneeded government interference and socialism? If so, how do we cover the care of the elderly, retired and poor? Hope some local charity group has the funds available to cover some emergency medical bills? What would you replace those programs with, if anything?
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Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you're saying. I mean, I hear words, but they're not echoing mine, so you must be speaking gibberish.
I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you're saying. I mean, I hear words, but they're not echoing mine, so you must be speaking gibberish.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
It sounds like Rhetoric to me
language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content:
Compromise is about all parties invovled not getting exactly what they want. Generally in order to get a concession you have to give something.
So once again what are the Republican Party (or perhaps more accurtly the Tea Party members) offering as a concession?
It sounds like Rhetoric to me
language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content:
Compromise is about all parties invovled not getting exactly what they want. Generally in order to get a concession you have to give something.
So once again what are the Republican Party (or perhaps more accurtly the Tea Party members) offering as a concession?
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
Medicare is OK, but they don't take enough out of your pay. To have Medicare and have to purchase supplemental insurance is stupid. Once you are of retirement age, you should just have to show proof of age and you're good.
Medicaid is the result of government intervention in the insurance system. It's a hand out because the free market isn't allowed to thrive.
There are parts of the ACA that are good. But a one page bill could have taken care of those (preexisting conditions, etc.). But no, we get 2400 pages of regulation and federal control, with a program that is going to add 10 trillion to the debt over the next ten years. Oh, they had 3 years to develop the exchanges, and on day one they crash. There's government efficiency for you.
Just look at SS, changes were made back in the 80's to compensate for the baby boomers when they retire. Now, because they can't keep their hand out of the "lock-box", we have the system running in the red for the first time ever.
Big government is never the solution.
Medicare is OK, but they don't take enough out of your pay. To have Medicare and have to purchase supplemental insurance is stupid. Once you are of retirement age, you should just have to show proof of age and you're good.
Medicaid is the result of government intervention in the insurance system. It's a hand out because the free market isn't allowed to thrive.
There are parts of the ACA that are good. But a one page bill could have taken care of those (preexisting conditions, etc.). But no, we get 2400 pages of regulation and federal control, with a program that is going to add 10 trillion to the debt over the next ten years. Oh, they had 3 years to develop the exchanges, and on day one they crash. There's government efficiency for you.
Just look at SS, changes were made back in the 80's to compensate for the baby boomers when they retire. Now, because they can't keep their hand out of the "lock-box", we have the system running in the red for the first time ever.
Big government is never the solution.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
That's laughable.
Just like the "debt limit".
No matter what dribble you hear from the news, we DO NOT need to increase it to pay our bills, we just very simply need to make some cuts.
All we are doing is increasing the spending limit on an institution that has proven they can't be responsible when it comes to spending.
That's laughable.
Just like the "debt limit".
No matter what dribble you hear from the news, we DO NOT need to increase it to pay our bills, we just very simply need to make some cuts.
All we are doing is increasing the spending limit on an institution that has proven they can't be responsible when it comes to spending.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
The fact that the exchanges crashed on day one could tell you something. Is that there was greater demand out there than predicted. So instead of it being unpopular it was more popular than predicted.
The fact that the exchanges crashed on day one could tell you something. Is that there was greater demand out there than predicted. So instead of it being unpopular it was more popular than predicted.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
We did that in 1980 and it's been darker and grittier ever since.
In politics, compromise has always had the same meaning: You give up and give me what I want.
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So what do you cut? do you for example to a blanket cut of say 5% across all government departments? Or do you ring fence certain departments? Do some departments get bigger cuts than others?
And I suspect you would still need to increase it this year at least, because it would take for cuts to have an impact.
So what do you cut? do you for example to a blanket cut of say 5% across all government departments? Or do you ring fence certain departments? Do some departments get bigger cuts than others?
And I suspect you would still need to increase it this year at least, because it would take for cuts to have an impact.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
They didn't expect that?
Only 7 million tried to get on... what 350 million in America?
What a cop out.
They didn't expect that?
Only 7 million tried to get on... what 350 million in America?
What a cop out.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
Bull.
Bull.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
Isn't the population of America somewhere around the 315-320m mark?
They didn't expect that?
Only 7 million tried to get on... what 350 million in America?
What a cop out.
Isn't the population of America somewhere around the 315-320m mark?
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Well, that's true in the sense that this is really about a fight between two groups of Republicans in the House and they need to work out some agreement between them before we all move on.
Well, that's true in the sense that this is really about a fight between two groups of Republicans in the House and they need to work out some agreement between them before we all move on.
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You've got to be kidding. The ACA is the compromise: the origina plan proposed by Obama was much different. Does the term "single payer" ring any bell?
I think I've already covered this.
You've got to be kidding. The ACA is the compromise: the origina plan proposed by Obama was much different. Does the term "single payer" ring any bell?
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
It works, though. It has its bumps and flaws, but it works. Millions of working class and poor Americans who qualify receive comprehensive health coverage, often with no co-pays of any kind depending on the state and the individual plan they have. I know people who've been on Medicaid and incurred substantial hospital and other treatment bills, almost every (or even every) penny of which was covered and those people weren't saddled with being responsible for huge bills that they couldn't realistically pay.
Medicaid isn't perfect (no health insurance system or plan ever is) but for the most part it's been successful and millions of Americans of all stripes have been satisfied if not happy about the program and its numerous state-by-state variations. At this point, the unfettered free market isn't doing its job to cover the maximum number of people and government intervention was only smart, productive and beneficial.
I'll take imperfect federal government health care programs over somebody not having insurance coverage because they can't afford it. Tax credits and vouchers for insurance do little or nothing to guarantee long-term, comprehensive coverage due to how expensive private market insurance plans and actual care costs usually are, and there comes a point where somebody just has to step in and mandate that the status quo isn't going to cut it in the richest and most powerful country in history.
Sorry, but the invisible hand of competition and free markets doesn't always drive costs down. Ask anybody who pays a cable TV bill. Competition often doesn't even exist when companies are allowed almost completely unrestricted and even monopolistic behavior. Somebody needs to referee, especially when human health, families and even lives are on the line.
It works, though. It has its bumps and flaws, but it works. Millions of working class and poor Americans who qualify receive comprehensive health coverage, often with no co-pays of any kind depending on the state and the individual plan they have. I know people who've been on Medicaid and incurred substantial hospital and other treatment bills, almost every (or even every) penny of which was covered and those people weren't saddled with being responsible for huge bills that they couldn't realistically pay.
Medicaid isn't perfect (no health insurance system or plan ever is) but for the most part it's been successful and millions of Americans of all stripes have been satisfied if not happy about the program and its numerous state-by-state variations. At this point, the unfettered free market isn't doing its job to cover the maximum number of people and government intervention was only smart, productive and beneficial.
I'll take imperfect federal government health care programs over somebody not having insurance coverage because they can't afford it. Tax credits and vouchers for insurance do little or nothing to guarantee long-term, comprehensive coverage due to how expensive private market insurance plans and actual care costs usually are, and there comes a point where somebody just has to step in and mandate that the status quo isn't going to cut it in the richest and most powerful country in history.
Sorry, but the invisible hand of competition and free markets doesn't always drive costs down. Ask anybody who pays a cable TV bill. Competition often doesn't even exist when companies are allowed almost completely unrestricted and even monopolistic behavior. Somebody needs to referee, especially when human health, families and even lives are on the line.
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What is it about conservative posters that they consistently refuse to use the Multi-Quote function? Is it because the Founding Fathers chose not to include it in the Constitution? Is it because it was originally a socialist program designed to consolidate individual freedom-loving posts into one big bloated entity? Is it because the board software was secretly developed in Kenya and given fake licensing in America?
Yanks, your posts alone represent about a third of the posts on this page, they're as often as not just one or two line sarcastic or cliche replies with little in the way of debatable content, and they're frequently posted one right after another or in short succession. It's the internet equivalent of shouting down the opposition to drown out their message. Now, I get that it's a largely liberally slanted board, but that doesn't mean you have to overcompensate in the other direction by matching all of them post for post. Quality over quantity is key.
I've already had one poster flip out in this thread because I dared to ask him to use Multi-Quote, and I wasn't even using all this colorful political language to ask then (didn't stop him from accusing me of bias anyway). So I'm pretty sure you are aware of the function and that we want it to be used in lieu of a bunch of short or consecutive posts. If not, I can show you how to use it.
So, in conclusion, please consolidate your posts with Multi-Quote as often as possible in the future. Thank you.
What is it about conservative posters that they consistently refuse to use the Multi-Quote function? Is it because the Founding Fathers chose not to include it in the Constitution? Is it because it was originally a socialist program designed to consolidate individual freedom-loving posts into one big bloated entity? Is it because the board software was secretly developed in Kenya and given fake licensing in America?
Yanks, your posts alone represent about a third of the posts on this page, they're as often as not just one or two line sarcastic or cliche replies with little in the way of debatable content, and they're frequently posted one right after another or in short succession. It's the internet equivalent of shouting down the opposition to drown out their message. Now, I get that it's a largely liberally slanted board, but that doesn't mean you have to overcompensate in the other direction by matching all of them post for post. Quality over quantity is key.
I've already had one poster flip out in this thread because I dared to ask him to use Multi-Quote, and I wasn't even using all this colorful political language to ask then (didn't stop him from accusing me of bias anyway). So I'm pretty sure you are aware of the function and that we want it to be used in lieu of a bunch of short or consecutive posts. If not, I can show you how to use it.
So, in conclusion, please consolidate your posts with Multi-Quote as often as possible in the future. Thank you.
Re: Ok Trekkers, Don't Forget To Sign Up For Mandatory Obamacare Oct 1
And, beyond all that, the Continuing Resolution that the Senate passed last week cut more spending than the original Ryan Budget. I don't think anyone would have called that a moderate budget, but it's now apparently the Democrat's position. And it's hundreds of billions of dollars less in domestic spending than the President wanted. That's a pretty big compromise, but the Democrats didn't need a Government shutdown to move in that direction.
You can't make that change on its own without drastically increasing premiums for everyone else. How would you deal with that?
Source?
The success or failure of a website says nothing about the quality of a law. What the impressive numbers of visitors to the site do say is that there is that there are a lot of people who are curious about the law, and a lot of people who were looking forward to it.
And can that nonsense about 7 million out of 350 million. The population isn't that big, the people with healthcare coverage through Medicare or Medicaid or Indian Health Services or the Military and Veterans Services or qualifying employer-based plans and those with coverage from their parents have no need to visit the exchanges. That's the vast majority of the country.
What we do know is this: When Massachusetts implemented their reforms interest grew over time it didn't peak on the first day. We also know that the Affordable Care Act is expected to cover about 7 million additional Americans through the exchanges in the first year, and that we need about 2.5 million of those enrollees to be relatively young and healthy.
So, if we need 7 million enrollees within the first year, and 8.5 million people, some of them no doubt looking for coverage for multiple family members, have visited the sites within the first 5 days? I'd say there's a chance we will get the kinds of numbers we need.
And, beyond all that, the Continuing Resolution that the Senate passed last week cut more spending than the original Ryan Budget. I don't think anyone would have called that a moderate budget, but it's now apparently the Democrat's position. And it's hundreds of billions of dollars less in domestic spending than the President wanted. That's a pretty big compromise, but the Democrats didn't need a Government shutdown to move in that direction.
You can't make that change on its own without drastically increasing premiums for everyone else. How would you deal with that?
Source?
The success or failure of a website says nothing about the quality of a law. What the impressive numbers of visitors to the site do say is that there is that there are a lot of people who are curious about the law, and a lot of people who were looking forward to it.
And can that nonsense about 7 million out of 350 million. The population isn't that big, the people with healthcare coverage through Medicare or Medicaid or Indian Health Services or the Military and Veterans Services or qualifying employer-based plans and those with coverage from their parents have no need to visit the exchanges. That's the vast majority of the country.
What we do know is this: When Massachusetts implemented their reforms interest grew over time it didn't peak on the first day. We also know that the Affordable Care Act is expected to cover about 7 million additional Americans through the exchanges in the first year, and that we need about 2.5 million of those enrollees to be relatively young and healthy.
So, if we need 7 million enrollees within the first year, and 8.5 million people, some of them no doubt looking for coverage for multiple family members, have visited the sites within the first 5 days? I'd say there's a chance we will get the kinds of numbers we need.
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That's the real politics of it as well. The Republicans used to talk about a "Repeal and Replace of ObamaCare" eventually they just gave up on the replace part. It's lazy.
That's the real politics of it as well. The Republicans used to talk about a "Repeal and Replace of ObamaCare" eventually they just gave up on the replace part. It's lazy.
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