Ohio teen expects to be suspended for trip to prom

[John Picard]

(and I mean besides the obvious Catholic Priest angle).

Congratulations. You have reached a new low.

Is the Catholic Priest Angle the Godwin of religious debates now?

 

[bigdaddy]

I'm a nurse and have undergone extensive background checks just to get a license, and every place I have worked has done background checks as well. If I commit a crime, even one that is not job related, I run the risk of losing my license (basically my career) as well as dealing with the legal percussions. I think mandatory background checks are done in other fields as well.

Granted, but we're not talking about committing a crime-- we're talking about attending a Prom. That's still legal in most States.

But it wasn't legal under the school's rules which he agreed to follow when he signed the school's contract!

 

[kythe]

I don't believe that any factors not directly impacting on one's work should be valid reasons to terminate an employee. There's definitely some wiggle room there, of the "reasonable expectation" sense as associated with, say, the commission of a violent crime or theft. Drug use wouldn't qualify unless it was demonstrably impacting upon the employee's work performance, however one could certainly report the employee to the police and if their procedures caused said employee to be unavailable for work then that would constitute reasonable grounds also.

Yes, there are many nurses who do not agree with how strict this is either. However, drug use is one that is taken most seriously by state licensing boards. There have been nurses who have had their licenses placed on probation over DUI's that have happened on their day off, yet who have never showed up to work intoxicated.

The reasoning behind this (whether you agree or disagree) is that nurses have access to many medications at work, including prescription narcotics. Drug abuse is the #1 cause of nurses losing their licenses. Even though most of it involves stealing prescriptions from work, drug and alcohol abuse outside of work is considered to be a risk factor. They don't want people working with a vulnerable population and around addictive medications when that person has any history of misusing substances.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I'm a nurse and have undergone extensive background checks just to get a license, and every place I have worked has done background checks as well. If I commit a crime, even one that is not job related, I run the risk of losing my license (basically my career) as well as dealing with the legal percussions. I think mandatory background checks are done in other fields as well.

Granted, but we're not talking about committing a crime-- we're talking about attending a Prom. That's still legal in most States.

But it wasn't legal under the school's rules which he agreed to follow when he signed the school's contract!

My school wasn't quite so Draconian... It was a Seventh-day Adventist school. And they worried about gum-chewing and shorts, until the latter rule was abolished. ^^

 

[RJDiogenes]

I'm a nurse and have undergone extensive background checks just to get a license, and every place I have worked has done background checks as well. If I commit a crime, even one that is not job related, I run the risk of losing my license (basically my career) as well as dealing with the legal percussions. I think mandatory background checks are done in other fields as well.

Granted, but we're not talking about committing a crime-- we're talking about attending a Prom. That's still legal in most States.

But it wasn't legal under the school's rules which he agreed to follow when he signed the school's contract!

That's not the law; that's an internal rule. kythe spoke of committing a crime (presumably being convicted of it), which can reasonably impact employment. Doing things that are not criminal should not effect your employment, or status at a school. Those rules that he agreed to (if indeed that happened) should not operate outside of the school.

 

[Michael Chris]

Unless he or his parents agreed to do so..

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well, that's what remains to be seen.

 

[bigdaddy]

Granted, but we're not talking about committing a crime-- we're talking about attending a Prom. That's still legal in most States.

But it wasn't legal under the school's rules which he agreed to follow when he signed the school's contract!

That's not the law; that's an internal rule. kythe spoke of committing a crime (presumably being convicted of it), which can reasonably impact employment. Doing things that are not criminal should not effect your employment, or status at a school. Those rules that he agreed to (if indeed that happened) should not operate outside of the school.

The whole point you sign a contract, which he did, is to say you won't do this stuff period! You think he is going to have sex and drink in school? Even in a public school where you sign nothing and have to show up, you can't have sex or drugs in school!

The point isn't should breaking the law out of work get you fire or not hired, that's a completely different issue. If you sign a contract and it says "you do blank and blank will happen" then you know what you were getting into when he signed it!

 

[TheLonelySquire]

(and I mean besides the obvious Catholic Priest angle).

Congratulations. You have reached a new low.

Brew's a good guy. I don't think he meant to take an undue shot. In fact, I think it's a very fair comment.

 

[miraclefan]

How does the church expect to follow the bible's teachings if these kids aren't being ''fruitfull & multiplying''? how old are these kids again? 18 or so? HELL they should already be married and popping out some youngen's already!

 

[RJDiogenes]

But it wasn't legal under the school's rules which he agreed to follow when he signed the school's contract!

That's not the law; that's an internal rule. kythe spoke of committing a crime (presumably being convicted of it), which can reasonably impact employment. Doing things that are not criminal should not effect your employment, or status at a school. Those rules that he agreed to (if indeed that happened) should not operate outside of the school.

The whole point you sign a contract, which he did, is to say you won't do this stuff period! You think he is going to have sex and drink in school? Even in a public school where you sign nothing and have to show up, you can't have sex or drugs in school!

In school. And drugs are illegal.

The point isn't should breaking the law out of work get you fire or not hired, that's a completely different issue. If you sign a contract and it says "you do blank and blank will happen" then you know what you were getting into when he signed it!

The question is whether they signed something that governed the kid's behavior outside of school. If they did, they're idiots and deserve what's coming to them; since they're talking about suing, it's likely that whatever they signed does not govern his activities outside of school. But we don't know either way.

 

[Lindley]

if these kids aren't being ''fruitfull & multiplying''?

I ate an apple with lunch most days in high school. And I knew my times tables very well!

 

[ThankQ]

Good question and I have no idea. I don't agree with this school but the OP clearly dislikes Christians for whatever reason.

First, I do not "hate" Christians. I don't hate anyone.

I do have a beef with Christians (the afore mentioned "wide brush"). But, of course, they started the fight, not me.

Do whatever you want. I don't care until you make it LAW that I live by YOUR beliefs. That's the main beef right there. If they weren't trying so hard to make their God my law, there wouldn't be an issue.

Second, it's bad for the children. It's bad for society as a whole.

I don't believe I said you hate Christians, did I?

And Christianity is not bad for children. It's the only way they'll have everlasting life. FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

Telling kids to believe in god is child abuse. It's extortion--larceny by false promise.

If your god is that great, leave the kids alone till they're 18 and they'll come to him on their own, rather than forcing them to believe in god while their brains still accept the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa and the Easter Bunny. Wait until they've accepted those do not, and CANNOT exist, then start with God.

If god is what you say he is, you have nothing to fear, and you'd actually be doing a better thing than fucking with Gods free will, which is what you're doing with children.

Children, for godssake. Christianity destroys lives.

FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

This is a lie that you've decided to believe. IT was the goal of the founders to ESCAPE people telling them how to be religious.

If you love God, you'll examine that lie and make the decision on your own. If you don't love God, you continue to sin and spread the lie.

For your own soul, quit lying and abusing children.

 

[bigdaddy]

That's not the law; that's an internal rule. kythe spoke of committing a crime (presumably being convicted of it), which can reasonably impact employment. Doing things that are not criminal should not effect your employment, or status at a school. Those rules that he agreed to (if indeed that happened) should not operate outside of the school.

The whole point you sign a contract, which he did, is to say you won't do this stuff period! You think he is going to have sex and drink in school? Even in a public school where you sign nothing and have to show up, you can't have sex or drugs in school!

In school. And drugs are illegal.

My point is that sex in public schools is banned, he signed a contract where he said he wouldn't have sex or dance or whatever ANYWHERE! Can you get that through your head?

And cigarettes are a drug, if you are a senior you can smoke all you want at home, in school you would get kicked out for 3 days. If you sign a contract saying you won't smoke out of school and you do that's your fault.

The school is a joke, but so is the kid for going there, so tuff for him.

 

[ThankQ]

ThankQ--When did I ever attack you?

And why is it I deserve to be attacked?

(And if it makes you uncomfortable that I have phrased it this way--then that's the point I was making. You went after an entire group when you canNOT make a legitimate claim that every member of that group has hurt you or is out to hurt you. Prejudice is prejudice...and it's not pretty no matter who's doing it, and to whom.)

First, I did say "wide brush". I don't know what else I can do to point that out.

If you have instructed a child about God, you have offended me and the human race. If you have, you've played a role in the hate that keeps us divided.

I doubt that was your intent. You might not even realize it.

Why are we so obsessed with the one surviving (out of hundreds) Bronze-age middle-eastern tribal deity?

You know why you believe in the God you believe in? Because 4000 years ago, the guys who believed in Yahweh had the best warriors.

That's right. Yahweh survived because his followers could better kill the followers of other gods than they could be killed.

Really. That not my opinion. That's how it is.

Billions of lives are based on that.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

First, I do not "hate" Christians. I don't hate anyone.

I do have a beef with Christians (the afore mentioned "wide brush"). But, of course, they started the fight, not me.

Do whatever you want. I don't care until you make it LAW that I live by YOUR beliefs. That's the main beef right there. If they weren't trying so hard to make their God my law, there wouldn't be an issue.

Second, it's bad for the children. It's bad for society as a whole.

I don't believe I said you hate Christians, did I?

And Christianity is not bad for children. It's the only way they'll have everlasting life. FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

Telling kids to believe in god is child abuse. It's extortion--larceny by false promise.

If your god is that great, leave the kids alone till they're 18 and they'll come to him on their own, rather than forcing them to believe in god while their brains still accept the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa and the Easter Bunny. Wait until they've accepted those do not, and CANNOT exist, then start with God.

If god is what you say he is, you have nothing to fear, and you'd actually be doing a better thing than fucking with Gods free will, which is what you're doing with children.

Children, for godssake. Christianity destroys lives.

FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

This is a lie that you've decided to believe. IT was the goal of the founders to ESCAPE people telling them how to be religious.

If you love God, you'll examine that lie and make the decision on your own. If you don't love God, you continue to sin and spread the lie.

For your own soul, quit lying and abusing children.

Then is it child abuse telling them not to believe, ThankQ? Should we not tell our children what we believe on the grounds that telling them such is abuse, or is it only telling our children our religious beliefs what you have a problem with?

 

[miraclefan]

First, I do not "hate" Christians. I don't hate anyone.

I do have a beef with Christians (the afore mentioned "wide brush"). But, of course, they started the fight, not me.

Do whatever you want. I don't care until you make it LAW that I live by YOUR beliefs. That's the main beef right there. If they weren't trying so hard to make their God my law, there wouldn't be an issue.

Second, it's bad for the children. It's bad for society as a whole.

I don't believe I said you hate Christians, did I?

And Christianity is not bad for children. It's the only way they'll have everlasting life. FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

Telling kids to believe in god is child abuse. It's extortion--larceny by false promise.

If your god is that great, leave the kids alone till they're 18 and they'll come to him on their own, rather than forcing them to believe in god while their brains still accept the existence of the tooth fairy, Santa and the Easter Bunny. Wait until they've accepted those do not, and CANNOT exist, then start with God.

If god is what you say he is, you have nothing to fear, and you'd actually be doing a better thing than fucking with Gods free will, which is what you're doing with children.

Children, for godssake. Christianity destroys lives.

FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

This is a lie that you've decided to believe. IT was the goal of the founders to ESCAPE people telling them how to be religious.

If you love God, you'll examine that lie and make the decision on your own. If you don't love God, you continue to sin and spread the lie.

For your own soul, quit lying and abusing children.

ThankQ--When did I ever attack you?

And why is it I deserve to be attacked?

(And if it makes you uncomfortable that I have phrased it this way--then that's the point I was making. You went after an entire group when you canNOT make a legitimate claim that every member of that group has hurt you or is out to hurt you. Prejudice is prejudice...and it's not pretty no matter who's doing it, and to whom.)

First, I did say "wide brush". I don't know what else I can do to point that out.

If you have instructed a child about God, you have offended me and the human race. If you have, you've played a role in the hate that keeps us divided.

I doubt that was your intent. You might not even realize it.

Why are we so obsessed with the one surviving (out of hundreds) Bronze-age middle-eastern tribal deity?

You know why you believe in the God you believe in? Because 4000 years ago, the guys who believed in Yahweh had the best warriors.

That's right. Yahweh survived because his followers could better kill the followers of other gods than they could be killed.

Really. That not my opinion. That's how it is.

Billions of lives are based on that.

How about allah? There's over a BILLION muslims! If the jews had the best warriors how did islam survive? Plus do you have any links to all the info you have? besides wiki?

 

[hellsgate]

Back on-topic, Okay? A kid took his female date to a (what I'm assuming was off-premises,) Prom & got busted by over-zealous religious administrators, threatening the kid's graduation via suspension.

 

[Davros]

And Christianity is not bad for children.

It can be just like anything else when taken to extremes.

It's the only way they'll have everlasting life.

What proof is there of this?

FInally, the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values.

No it wasn't. It was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment. Why do you keep repeating that the US was founded on Christian values?

There's bound to be some influence. "In God we trust" and all that.

Try cold war anti-communism.

 

[RJDiogenes]

The whole point you sign a contract, which he did, is to say you won't do this stuff period! You think he is going to have sex and drink in school? Even in a public school where you sign nothing and have to show up, you can't have sex or drugs in school!

In school. And drugs are illegal.

My point is that sex in public schools is banned, he signed a contract where he said he wouldn't have sex or dance or whatever ANYWHERE! Can you get that through your head?

You bet. As soon as it's established. Right now we don't know what he signed, if anything.