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Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogue

Will YOU make a break for the exit once the epilogue comes on?

  • No, the epilogue rocks! Only a cameo by Jar-Jar could possibly improve upon it.

    Votes: 39 72.2%
  • Heck, yes! I'll have had my fill of Emma Watson in upconverted 3D by then, and am not a masochist.

    Votes: 6 11.1%
  • Please! Neither the HP books or films have been any good since GoF, where it started taking its ho-h

    Votes: 9 16.7%

  • Total voters
    54
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

The odds that a guy could cast a magical spell, have it backfire on him (rendering him a non-corporeal spirit) and eventually come back to life by possessing other bodies and ultimately sampling the blood of a teenager ... yeah, that's unlikely to the point of absurdity, too, but we take it.

And why not tie everything up with a nice, shiny bow, anyway? The books were aimed at young children. As someone mentioned earlier, it's basically a modern-day fairy tale. Fairy tales end with "happily ever after."

Harry Potter isn't The Dark Knight.

Shit, my niece is going to start reading these books soon. If she finished Deathly Hallows and there was no epilogue, but instead it just ended with "oh, hey, Voldemort's defeated and everyone's standing around at Hogwarts," I guarantee you she'd say, "Uncle Timby, what happened afterwards?
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

I'm not saying that Rowling should keep on writing Potter books, or even that Harry should face anywhere near as big a threat as Voldemort ever again. I'm just saying, let the readers make up their own minds. Let them imagine where he decides to live, what he decides to do, and who he decides to marry.
She shouldn't even have written the books. Just give us some character names and we'll make up the rest in our heads.

: |
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Not sure I understand where all the bitter angst is coming from.
It's a scene from the end of a story. There is worse suffering in the world.
Why wouldn't they film it? It's in the goddamn book isn't it?
"Holy shit, they are using the source material! Everybody run and hide!"
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

The odds that a guy could cast a magical spell, have it backfire on him (rendering him a non-corporeal spirit) and eventually come back to life by possessing other bodies and ultimately sampling the blood of a teenager ... yeah, that's unlikely to the point of absurdity, too, but we take it.
Rowling makes up HP-brand magic, so she gets to make the rules. But she didn't invent human psychology, so we're under no obligation to "take" whatever crap she decides to throw at us in terms of intercharacter relations. And the fact is that her young characters act, speak and think very much like modern young Brits, so it's entirely fair to judge her on how convincing a job she does of plotting their long-term lives.

The books were aimed at young children. As someone mentioned earlier, it's basically a modern-day fairy tale.
No disagreement there, though it'd be nice if the media stopped referring to the series getting more "adult" as it goes along. It gets grimmer and darker, sure, but the last book (and the epilogue especially) is every bit as childish and intellectually vacuous as the first.

Harry Potter isn't The Dark Knight.
I wish David Yates shared that insight, because he appears hell-bent on making it look and feel like it. In his defense, though, I'd say that the last three books are every it as grim and joyless as TDK, though without any of the smarts.

it just ended with "oh, hey, Voldemort's defeated and everyone's standing around at Hogwarts," I guarantee you she'd say, "Uncle Timby, what happened afterwards?
Right, which is when you could have said, "well, what do you think happened? Your answer can be as good as anyone else's. Use your imagination!"

@ billcosby: just because it's in the book doesn't mean it's not ill-conceived, badly written fanwank garbage. ;)
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

I see you agreed (or had "no disagreement") with my point that the Harry Potter books are essentially modern-day fairy tales, and then dodged my point that fairy tales end with "happily ever after."
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

I liked the epilogue and I think if fits the characters. Harry lost his family because of Voldemort but after he was defeated he got to have a family of his own. In a way he had some full-circle. All was well. :)
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Not so obvious. The notion of not shagging multiple people before you get married is stupid?

Some people don't. So I hear. :shifty:
I didn't actually say that that practice is stupid, though I do think it pretty damned risky, and not likely to result in long-term marriages, unless those involved live in and/or share a strong cultural antagonism towards divorce.

I rather meant that, unless the Wizarding world places a much bigger emphasis on marrying young (never mind pre-marital abstinence) than the books actually indicate, the odds that the three biggest characters (plus Ginny) would marry and stay married to their first serious partners is unlikely (not to mention cloying) to the point of absurdity.

And that's the stupid: instead of leaving the future up to readers' imaginations, Rowling forces the shiniest, absolute best-case scenario down our throats, credibility be damned. The characters are bent into serving the needs of the plot, a fundamental artistic error. The whole thing just stinks. :borg:

Well... they were, what, 17 and 18 years old by that time? And nothing says they ran out and got married the next day. But okay, I'll concede the point.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the happy ending as much as another fundamental artistic error: the notion that all these heretofore unrevealed magical rules conspire at the climax of the story to help Harry win. Over and over. And it's not like he's a smart kid who takes advantage of loopholes-- he doesn't find out about these things until afterward.

In Book 1, the villain is defeated merely because he touches Harry, due to a built-in protection that Harry knew nothing about. All he had to do was stand there. And the Philosopher's Stone appears in his pocket because ... why again?

In Book 2, Harry does commit some dashing heroic acts, like killing the basilisk-- but only after a magic sword literally appears out of nowhere, something which isn't explained until later. And don't get me started about how the phoenix does half of Harry's job for him. Also, we find out many books later that a basilisk fang is one of the few things that could have destroyed the diary. So basically, Harry didn't have the right tools for the job, but he was given them as he needed them, one right after the other.

Although the sock thing was funny. That's the sort of magical loophole that Harry should be allowed to exploit, intentionally, more often.

Book 3 gets a bye. Harry and his friends simply use what they've got.

Book 4: The explanation of what happened in the graveyard is one of the most contrived things I've ever heard. "If two identical wands duel each other, one will force the other to recast its most recent spells, one at a time, in reverse..." ...what? I mean, granted, Harry was doing a good job fighting for his life, but talk about a convenient rule! Which once again isn't explained until afterward.

Book 5 gets a bye again. Yeah, Harry was bailed out by the Order, but only because he intentionally asked them for help.

Book 6: I'm not sure what to make of this one. Harry is actually pretty clever with all the stuff he picks up from the Potions book. (My friends and I still argue about whether it even constitutes cheating. I'm not sure that it does.) That weird potion Dumbledore drank... well, let's just say the logic of "nothing else works, so I guess you have to drink it" is more than a little weird. But no magical laws conspire to save Harry, so I guess it gets a bye.

Book 7: All that stuff with the Elder Wand... to tell you the truth, it's so convoluted that I'm not even sure I have it down yet-- but it appears to be another example of convenient rules. And Harry's survival against Voldemort can probably be argued either way.

I do like the books-- but multiple instances of this sort of thing across four books is way too much. Any thoughts?
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Happily ever after is not the same as knowing the life story of the protagonists after the big dramatic climax of their lives. No one cares what happened to Robin Hood after restoring Richard's rule and marrying Marian. Sometimes, it's best just to end it.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^^ Quite. It's not as though, if Rowling had ended the series in the "present", the public would clamor, "But will they all be ok? Will they survive the inevitable PTSD that no character has actually yet exhibited? Will Harry be killed in a tragic broomstick accident before unlocking Ginny's Chamber of Secrets?" :p

And no, not all fairy tales end happily, unless by "fairy tale" you mean "that which necessarily conforms to Disney storytelling rules, centuries of actual folkloric children's stories be damned."

The Chronicles of Prydain, for instance, is a fairy tale whose prose is comparable in difficulty to HP's, but its melancholy ending is far more affecting and profound. Which isn't to say that Rowling was obligated to ape that conclusion, only that "it's a kids' story" is no excuse for crap writing. :)

@ Silvercrest: yeah, the whole plot of DH is a series of fails, which is why won't be seeing either part, but the filmmakers were pretty well stuck with that. But they could totally have gotten away with not doing the epilogue (yet) by claiming that they wouldn't be able to do it justice, imho.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Heh. I don't think most filmmakers would use being modest, or respect for the source, as an excuse.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^^ Agreed.. I thought it was a fitting end to a wonderful series.. Book 7 had its ups and downs and dragged a bit in the middle... But the epilogue did what it was supposed to do, bring everything back around full circle.

In a completely UNbelievable and illogical manner.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^^ Agreed.. I thought it was a fitting end to a wonderful series.. Book 7 had its ups and downs and dragged a bit in the middle... But the epilogue did what it was supposed to do, bring everything back around full circle.

In a completely UNbelievable and illogical manner.

Right, remember fantasy must be grounded in logic!!
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^^ Agreed.. I thought it was a fitting end to a wonderful series.. Book 7 had its ups and downs and dragged a bit in the middle... But the epilogue did what it was supposed to do, bring everything back around full circle.

In a completely UNbelievable and illogical manner.

Right, remember fantasy must be grounded in logic!!

Is common sense too much to ask for?

Explain to me how a man would name his children after men who had abused and exploited him for years.

Explain how that same man would suddenly and out of the blue develop feelings for this girl who at best was a shadowy hanger-on through five books and suddenly becomes the most important person in his life (oh, and let us not forget that her mother is a self-confessed user of "love potions").

Explain to me how an intelligent, well-bred young lady would also just happen to fall in love with a slovenly, rude, fair-weather friend and marry HIM.

Explain how ANY of that meets the common sense test, let alone more rigorous logical scrutiny...
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^On the other hand, explain to me how love has anything to do with common sense and logic.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Darkwing....
one wonders if you even picked up a copy of any of the books and read them.... or are you just going on your impressions of their interactions thru the movies alone....
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

Darkwing....
one wonders if you even picked up a copy of any of the books and read them.... or are you just going on your impressions of their interactions thru the movies alone....

Read all seven, cover to cover.

More on Ginny (aka the Potions Princess):

From the HP wikki:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Love_Potion

However, true love cannot be produced through artificial means, and thus the feelings that Love Potions create are more like obsession than affection.[3]

Now go back and re-read the portions of Book 6 that have to do with how Harry reacts to what Ginny is doing with other boys...very interesting, is it not?

Even Molly Weasley admitted to having brewed a Love Potion when she was a girl at Hogwarts.[9]

Like mother like daughter...Ginny's a cipher for 5 books then BOOM, Harry's all hot and bothered over her.


And lets not get started again on Ron, jealous git, fair-weather friend, slob and layabout extraordiaire...but the "smartest witch of her generation" falls head over heels for a boy who has verbally abused her almost since he met her, almost got her KILLED at age 11, and abandoned both her AND his "best mate" in the middle of the all-important Hoarcrux hunt, just to name a FEW of his bad points...?
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^
And yet you failed to grasp the basic concept of them...
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

^
And yet you failed to grasp the basic concept of them...

I completely got the basic concept.

That doesn't mean they get a "bye" for their illogical construction, contradictory information, and poor characterization (in later books).

Fantasy does not mean "turn off your brain". Good writing is still good writing, and bad writing, however popular, is still bad writing.
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

That Harry would fall for/be interested in Ginny because she's available and part of his circle is totally credible; that he would actually marry her is far, far less so. But then, as a celebrity, he never gets hit on or chased by girls to the extent that he should be.

As for H and Ron, yeah, that's never been remotely believable on the page, and on screen it's positively painful to watch.

Plus, 20 years on, has Harry still not discovered a magical equivalent to eye-correction surgery? Really?
 
Re: Oh, for Pete's Sake: They're actually filming the Potter 7 epilogu

and the epilogue is pretty pointless to begin with.

How is it pointless? Admittedly, I just read all the books for the first time in March and April, but when I got to the epilogue, the sense I got was, "Wow, Harry had some crazy shit happen to him, but everything turned out okay in the end."

Works for me.

This is pretty much how I feel, and probably what Rowling intended.
 
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