Official Trailer Review & Comments Thread!! [Spoilers, of course]
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Liberating, isn't it? 
Ach, I wouldn't worry about that. Trek has been contradicting itself for years, and like all the previous contradiction before it, this one will be disregarded as soon as the next movie or TV show comes out.
As liberating as ordering a filet mignon at your favorite steakhouse and being served meatloaf.Liberating, isn't it?
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I'm getting kinda bored with the whole construction argument, but what on earth does "promethean-hating" mean?
As liberating as ordering a filet mignon at your favorite steakhouse and being served meatloaf.Liberating, isn't it?
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That steakhouse went out of business years ago, because most diners didn't like the meat there.
If you read the menu at this one and don't like what you see, hit the Burger King down the street.
Nothing of consequence.
You just have to see Kirk look up at that thing in the trailer to get that these people know what they're doing. But some fans will always complain - hell, Bond "fans" bitched about Daniel Craig and the new direction of the Bond films, and they were flat-out dead wrong.
You know, you could have saved us a lot of posting if you'd just started with the outright mystical argument, rather than coming around to it past page 50.
Re: Bond... I love the new guy... but he's the "new guy" to me, not the "same guy."
I'll explain that...
In my "personal Bond canon" I treat the identity of "James Bond" not as the guy's given name but rather as his "spy identity" which he assumed after giving up whatever name his mother and father gave him (this is actually quite common, by the way).
So, as far as I'm concerned, the Connery character may or may not have been the first agent to have this name, but he wasn't the last. Connery's character retired... but was brought back from retirement twice (both times after someone else holding the "identity" of Bond for a while).
He retired, and is probably living on some desert island... or perhaps is some "spymaster" high up in the UK government. Meanwhile, every so often a new agent assumes the identity of "James Bond." As far as I'm concerned, only one actually retired (Connery) and all the rest either died in the line of duty or were injured in some disabling way and were forced out of commission. (Lazenby's agent cracked up and was forcibly retired... Moore's agent probably died of syphilis!... Dalton's was killed, as was Brosnan's).
So, as far as I'm concerned, this new guy is just another secret agent who was assigned the code-name "James Bond" because he fit the profile. He's not the same guy, so I have no trouble accepting him.
(FYI, "Q" and "M" aren't just silly code-names... "Q" stands for "Quartermaster" and "M" stands for "Minister"... both significant positions within the intelligence agency. Later movie-makers have forgotten this, but Iam Flemming understood this perfectly well.)
As liberating as ordering a filet mignon at your favorite steakhouse and being served meatloaf.Liberating, isn't it?
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heyyyyy....
I LIKE MEATLOAF...
It's comfort food just like TREK.
Shatner responds to the new trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu656gGkhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu656gGkhI
As liberating as ordering a filet mignon at your favorite steakhouse and being served meatloaf.Liberating, isn't it?
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heyyyyy....
I LIKE MEATLOAF...
It's comfort food just like TREK.
True dat. Folks are upset that J.J. is messing with Mama Roddenberry's Mac'N'Cheese recipe.
Not enough cheese in the new dish, apparently.
Oh, plenty of cheese, but the new recipe substitutes Bleu where the original recipe used cheddar.
True dat. Folks are upset that J.J. is messing with Mama Roddenberry's Mac'N'Cheese recipe.
Not enough cheese in the new dish, apparently.
I like Bleu cheese. Cheddar is boring.
No matter what kind of cheese they put in, the fact remains that no one's eaten it yet, but many are already writing the reviews in the food column of the newspaper.
I almost spit my coffee out.
me too
But that's wrong because there is a chronology of Bond's life. BOND is James Bond he's not some guy who becomes James Bond. Is Code name is 007. They don't refer to him as James Bond unless they are talking to him directly they call all their 00 agents by their number so that means (going by the Chronology of the books that James Bond was ....
November 11, 1920
Birth of James Bond in Wattenscheid, or Vienna.
July 1932
Deaths of Bond's parents, Andrew Bond and Monique Delacroix, in an Alpine climbing accident.
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Yep. And that's a bit daft, because until we see the finished picture, we won't know if it's good or not.
Although, I officially hate anyone lucky enough to have seen the preview. I'm so jealous. I'd even drive my lazy ass down to Miami to see it if it came there and someone gave me a pass.
Is it May yet?
Which means that this movie's version of Bond isn't that same Bond, doesn't it? A man born in 1920 would be 88 years old during the timeframe of the latest Bond film...
See, this works for me, though, because the WWII-era Bond (the one Flemming wrote about) would be the original one... the only one who was actually using his real, given name.
If they were "rebooting" Bond every time, there wouldn't have been continuity between the various minister and quartermaster roles... nor the minister's secretary, MoneyPenney. And while it was almost ... ALMOST... within the realm of "suspension of disbelief" going between one or two guys... there's no plausible way to believe that the same guy who fought Dr. No in the early 1960s is the one who was jumping off of cranes in African construction sites a couple of years ago, having just been awarded his "double-oh" rating... much less the one who was born in 1920.
It doesn't work... except if they're either (1) totally alternative realities, with a few faces common between them, or (2) the same reality, and different men all carrying the name "Bond" and the code "007."
Well, Ian Flemming (who himself served in the Intelligence service, though in a much different capacity to the role I served... he was more of an actual "spy" than I could ever pretend to have been!) was writing about an entirely different character than the one we've seen recently... or any of the "movie Bonds" for that matter, wasn't he?
See, this works for me, though, because the WWII-era Bond (the one Flemming wrote about) would be the original one... the only one who was actually using his real, given name.
Not necessarily... lots of people have been married at one time or another... and often, a cover-story will incorporate both fictious and real elements of a particular person's life.
If they were "rebooting" Bond every time, there wouldn't have been continuity between the various minister and quartermaster roles... nor the minister's secretary, MoneyPenney. And while it was almost ... ALMOST... within the realm of "suspension of disbelief" going between one or two guys... there's no plausible way to believe that the same guy who fought Dr. No in the early 1960s is the one who was jumping off of cranes in African construction sites a couple of years ago, having just been awarded his "double-oh" rating... much less the one who was born in 1920.
It doesn't work... except if they're either (1) totally alternative realities, with a few faces common between them, or (2) the same reality, and different men all carrying the name "Bond" and the code "007."
Well these two new movies ARE the reboot(as stated by the studio). Daniel Craig was brought in for the Restart of the Bond Franchise which means that Connery to Broson all played the same James Bond and Craig is playing the New Era Bond which is just bond restarted, and if you read any of the bond novels you see that this Bond that they gave us now is closer to Ian Flemings original.
And of course we are talking about a movie universe versus the Source material, but Bond shouldn't get that kind of pass and Trek not because it's dirty pool, and kinda Hypocritical. You do realize Craig got the same reception at taking the new Bond role that many fans are giving this new movie. He even got Death threats, which is just fucking crazy.
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